[Football] If Palace can't play in the Europa League

[cjd]

Oh, because he doesn't talk about it (but the story has been mysteriously leaked to the press) it shows class, does it ? Come off it

At least he's finally kissed and make up with DK.

Come on, bloke might be a god but let's not pretend he's permanently classy. He has his moments, he just prefers not to wash his dirty laundry in public

Presumably you are his personal washer-woman then...?

In the good old days, you were called the 'woman who does'.

 

[Klaas]

I think it was several more that camped outside Lloyds bank in 2010 to persuade them to sell the ground back to us, as current owners, understandably, only wanted to buy the club and the ground together. Mark Goldberg made that mistake which led to admin 1, a dodgy hedge fund panicked to create Admin 2.

Out of genuine interest, why were crowds so low at Priestfield (kind of get it being miles away) and Withdean?

Ah the old Lloyds bank protest, literally the ONE protest Palace fans bring up. You could probably pick any week from the Gory Years to find Brighton fans involved in summer kind of activism to save the club.

 

[essbee1]

I wonder if Tony really does want the Conference League next season - it’s a hard slog travel-wise, and at the same time there is a great opportunity to get a Europa League spot NEXT season, with so many EPL teams in Europe. You also probably don’t make any money, even if you win it, as all the extra games will surely impact on your Premier League finish.

Personally, I’d take the risk!

You're not allowed to say that on here Jim. You get accused of being a rabid, non-supporting, Palace troll if you do.

 

[macbeth]

I didn’t realise this was a thing until recently. Were we in the competition the last year when teams dropped into it from the Champions League? Absolutely typical and any Premier League team must be one of the favourites for the tournament now. Palace lucky again.

Looking around Europe at the other teams and had a chill go down my spine. There really aren’t a lot of good teams in the Europa League. Roma, yes, but apart from them? Porto? Betis? Lille, maybe? Villa too but Palace strolled past them at Wembley. And that’s before we consider that Glasner has already won the Europa League once, is very well acquainted with the competition and is generally somewhat of a cup expert anyway. They seriously, genuinely could win it. That would kill the rivalry forever, Shirley?

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Oh, because he doesn't talk about it (but the story has been mysteriously leaked to the press) it shows class, does it ? Come off it

At least he's finally kissed and make up with DK.

Come on, bloke might be a god but let's not pretend he's permanently classy. He has his moments, he just prefers not to wash his dirty laundry in public

Well, yes.

The alternative is that he shoots his mouth off in public and denigrates continuously and vociferously his rival. That would be my definition of unclassy.

Keeping quiet and not 'washing dirty laundry in public' is, to my mind, relatively classy.

How do you define classy?

 

[pasty]

The same incompetent referee that gave City a penalty for a dive?

Trying to make up for not sending keeper off

 

[Seasider78]

Let's get some facts sorted out. True, in the penultimate season and season before that, Withdean's capacity had been upped to 9k and we weren't at capacity. But still, something like 11 of 13 seasons saw near capacity crowds for every game. We watched some good seasons and some pretty bad ones too, but it took over a decade for the "we're back in Brighton" smell to finally wear off, to the extent that watching crap football at that place was not really fun anymore for a lot of people.

Whereas @Wozza is absolutely right - Palace's Championship gates were absolute turd for years. The season before Palace got promoted, they were averaging 15,000 - about 7,000 fewer than us. Even in their promotion season it was only 17,000, just the 9,000 fewer than us. Needless to say, their crowds jumped by 7,000 the minute the big boys rolled into town. It's all there:

England historical attendance and performance

Then there's the fun fact I've parrotted on this board since it's inception. In 1979, 51,700 turned up to see their promotion from division 2 in 1979. Literally one relegation and 5 years later (so back in the same division), they were being watched by 4,005 at home to Wimbledon.


They can laugh at our Amex atmosphere all they want, but we won't be accepting any lectures on fickleness from them. Speaking of which, I assume Parish is a lovely man now that they've won a pot - or are those twats dressed in black still moaning at him?

Let’s not forget those palace numbers were also bolstered by some serious and regular groupon promotions even then they could not fill that crumbling turd of a stadium.

 

[Seasider78]

We were. But to be fair, we lost convincingly to Roma, who had qualified the same way as us (ie: they weren't a CL drop-out).

It was convincing and I think RDZ got the setup and approach wrong in Rome but also worth remembering we went to that game without Mitoma or a bang in form Pedro who was at the time our Europa League talisman. Was a very patched up side taking on a very good outfit who were also very much in form.

 

[Dibdab]

That would kill the rivalry forever, Shirley?

Or it might highlight that buying some players that are Prem ready for what you need in the here and now can reap some big dividends, and that its clearly achievable for us with a few tweaks to our strategy. THey have already raised the bar of what we need to be aiming for and it should be embraced as a positive.

 

[Right Back]

It was convincing and I think RDZ got the setup and approach wrong in Rome but also worth remembering we went to that game without Mitoma or a bang in form Pedro who was at the time our Europa League talisman. Was a very patched up side taking on a very good outfit who were also very much in form.

We should have scored 2 and would still have been in the tie. The Dunk error just before half time really hurt us.

 

[Mellotron]

The Dunk error just before half time really hurt us.

Psychologically as much as anything IMO - at this point we still very much looked to him as a big leader of the side. Lukaku knew he had him.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

We should have scored 2 and would still have been in the tie. The Dunk error just before half time really hurt us.

The moment our season ended.

 

[Mellotron]

The moment our season ended.

The moment RDZ stopped being our manager.

 

[theboybilly]

Or it might highlight that buying some players that are Prem ready for what you need in the here and now can reap some big dividends, and that its clearly achievable for us with a few tweaks to our strategy. THey have already raised the bar of what we need to be aiming for and it should be embraced as a positive.

If 'raising the bar' is ceding 60-70% to the opposition each game (including in front of your own fans) and a ridiculous 81% in a Cup Final then I'm afraid I'm out. True it got them a trophy and everybody loves an underdog but Palace are boring beyond belief to watch. For a neutral that game was exciting only to see if City couldn't break through Palace's ultra packed defence.
There are better ways of raising this bar of which you speak. I'm so glad we've never resorted to this type of football since CH's final days when Wolves fans regaled us with 'do you watch this every week?'

Palace got lucky, Glasner has just carried on where Hodgson left off. Their main target next season will still be survival

 

[eaglesdan]

Let's get some facts sorted out. True, in the penultimate season and season before that, Withdean's capacity had been upped to 9k and we weren't at capacity. But still, something like 11 of 13 seasons saw near capacity crowds for every game. We watched some good seasons and some pretty bad ones too, but it took over a decade for the "we're back in Brighton" smell to finally wear off, to the extent that watching crap football at that place was not really fun anymore for a lot of people.

Whereas @Wozza is absolutely right - Palace's Championship gates were absolute turd for years. The season before Palace got promoted, they were averaging 15,000 - about 7,000 fewer than us. Even in their promotion season it was only 17,000, just the 9,000 fewer than us. Needless to say, their crowds jumped by 7,000 the minute the big boys rolled into town. It's all there:

England historical attendance and performance

Then there's the fun fact I've parrotted on this board since it's inception. In 1979, 51,700 turned up to see their promotion from division 2 in 1979. Literally one relegation and 5 years later (so back in the same division), they were being watched by 4,005 at home to Wimbledon.


They can laugh at our Amex atmosphere all they want, but we won't be accepting any lectures on fickleness from them. Speaking of which, I assume Parish is a lovely man now that they've won a pot - or are those twats dressed in black still moaning at him?

So when the capacity at Withdean was increased to 9000, you didnt fill it?

Why when the new ground opened did it jump to 30000? In my opinion the new ground is just as difficult to get to as the old one.

As for our own attendances, the season we had 4005 at home to Wimbledon was one of our worst, and if I remember correctly, had a certain A Mullery in charge, which was never going to work given his history.

Away following? Play off semi final against Sheffield Wednesday ring any bells?

 

[eaglesdan]

For my own part, I worked 6 days a week during that time, don’t think Mrs LLF would have been too happy if I disappeared all day to football leaving her with 3 young kids to look after.
I think you’ve answered your own question.

I have a question for you.

Why did your attendance go from an average of 16,500 in 2012-2013, to 26.500 average, in 2013-14?

I would think it had something to do with promotion, involving an increase in away fans, and plenty of tickets available for touts.

Same question back, why did attendances triple when the Amex opened?

 

[eaglesdan]

Trying to make up for not sending keeper off

Probably correct, only it backfired.

 

[eaglesdan]

If 'raising the bar' is ceding 60-70% to the opposition each game (including in front of your own fans) and a ridiculous 81% in a Cup Final then I'm afraid I'm out. True it got them a trophy and everybody loves an underdog but Palace are boring beyond belief to watch. For a neutral that game was exciting only to see if City couldn't break through Palace's ultra packed defence.
There are better ways of raising this bar of which you speak. I'm so glad we've never resorted to this type of football since CH's final days when Wolves fans regaled us with 'do you watch this every week?'

Palace got lucky, Glasner has just carried on where Hodgson left off. Their main target next season will still be survival

I think our target every season is 4th from bottom, and anything else, including a cup run is a bonus.

 

[The Grockle]

So when the capacity at Withdean was increased to 9000, you didnt fill it?

Why when the new ground opened did it jump to 30000? In my opinion the new ground is just as difficult to get to as the old one.

As for our own attendances, the season we had 4005 at home to Wimbledon was one of our worst, and if I remember correctly, had a certain A Mullery in charge, which was never going to work given his history.

Away following? Play off semi final against Sheffield Wednesday ring any bells?

The 9000 capacity Withdean had about 7500 uncovered seats so for most of the season was pretty inhospitable.

I don't get the Palace obsession with where our extra fans came from. If everything goes to plan at Selhurst you'll have 20 thousand more fans through the turnstyles than you had in the championship.

The purists might not like it but better facilities in a decent division = bigger crowds.

 

[rippleman]

I think our target every season is 4th from bottom, and anything else, including a cup run is a bonus.

That is shockingly unambitious.

Are you certain you have the right people on your Board?