Hull City remove disabled price concessions.

[severnside gull]

Twas a joke mate, didn't mean to offend x

no worries
my missus is disabled and I do get unnecessarily touchy sometimes to the extent of "sense of humour by-pass"

I actually agree with standard pricing - my wife prefers not to use a wheelchair but I believe if she was less willful I could actually accompany her to games f.o.c. as her "helper". That seems fair where needed as does providing adequate numbers of accessible car parking spaces and I do feel that they should be discounted (as indeed they are because without them many like myself would not be able to get to a game at all - especially at the Amex with its travel restrictions). I really do think that sports clubs' responsibility stops there and that managing the imbalance in earning opportunity is entirely a responsibility for government (and the individual where they are able).Just giving cheap access to a football game or athletics meet does nothing to resolve the issues andwhy should they - I can't think of any theatre that gives cheap tickets for sure!

 

[albion534]

no worries
my missus is disabled and I do get unnecessarily touchy sometimes to the extent of "sense of humour by-pass"

I actually agree with standard pricing - my wife prefers not to use a wheelchair but I believe if she was less willful I could actually accompany her to games f.o.c. as her "helper". That seems fair where needed as does providing adequate numbers of accessible car parking spaces and I do feel that they should be discounted (as indeed they are because without them many like myself would not be able to get to a game at all - especially at the Amex with its travel restrictions). I really do think that sports clubs' responsibility stops there and that managing the imbalance in earning opportunity is entirely a responsibility for government (and the individual where they are able).Just giving cheap access to a football game or athletics meet does nothing to resolve the issues andwhy should they - I can't think of any theatre that gives cheap tickets for sure!

Exactly! You don't get a discount going for a meal etc so why should you at a game!

I understand jumping to the defence of your mrs, my cousin is autistic and when I see him bullied and how it effects him, I get furious!!

 

[severnside gull]

Exactly! You don't get a discount going for a meal etc so why should you at a game!

I understand jumping to the defence of your mrs, my cousin is autistic and when I see him bullied and how it effects him, I get furious!!

not as furious as me when I think what I'd be saving if she would use her bloody wheelchair

I was surprised that Man U offer free admission but then I realised it is a few spaces on a first come first serve basis game-by-game. I suspect it is fixed and always the same people get in or it is seriously undignified scrambling for what looks like a little PR stunt. We don't do too badly - more wheelchair accessible spaces in with the crowd rather than being isolated would be good and they do need to give thought to access from car parks but generally speaking our club are responsive and helpful when approached if not quite proactive in identifying issues and seeking solutions.

 

[ifuhatepalacestandup]

As a disabled person myself, I feel I am qualified to comment on this. My stance is this.. If we as disabled people want equality, we cannot pick and choose in which way. I have no issue paying the same as anyone else. You cannot one minute say I am disabled it should be cheaper, then the next scream equality issues at anyone that will listen. As far as I am concerned, the club have consulted with the various authorities ie level playing field, Bods etc, and I think they have thought of most things. They also allow a free carer which is essential for people to able use the facilities on offer. All in all I have very much enjoyed the first season at the Amex, and can't wait for the next one. Something I couldn't really say at Withdean.

great post

 

[LadySeagull]

On average, the earnings capacity of disabled people is very significantly lower than than able-bodied people.

Yes, but there are so many sections in the community where you could also say something similar:

The spending capacity of people with children is generally significantly lower than most, due to the additional cost of feeding/clothing a family, childcare and all other expenses.

The spending capacity of people with a mortage or high rent is significantly lower than most who might own their homes outright (such as some retired people).

The average income of non-graduates is on average lower than graduates.

The average income of women is lower than men - I think partly due to the number of women in part time jobs.

Etc...etc.



Bottom line is - and I do have disabled relatives - IMHO they should pay the same as everyone else does.

 

[albion534]

not as furious as me when I think what I'd be saving if she would use her bloody wheelchair

I was surprised that Man U offer free admission but then I realised it is a few spaces on a first come first serve basis game-by-game. I suspect it is fixed and always the same people get in or it is seriously undignified scrambling for what looks like a little PR stunt. We don't do too badly - more wheelchair accessible spaces in with the crowd rather than being isolated would be good and they do need to give thought to access from car parks but generally speaking our club are responsive and helpful when approached if not quite proactive in identifying issues and seeking solutions.

Mate, you need to be encouraging her disability lol

Yes luv, stop being brave...embrace it!

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

The main issue was the lack of wheelchair viewing areas at a raised level. 50% of wheelchair seating should be at a raised level in order to give a fair choice of where to sit. Premium seating such as 1901, boxes etc does not count only general seating. The club were 13 seats short on these numbers. When phase 2 & 3 are complete 75% of the wheelchair spaces will be at a raised level. The club reinstated the concession rate last season for this reason. We have no problem with paying the full price once the facilities are correct.

If 100% of wheelchair seating was at a raised level then every spectator would get a decent view without the Sky 3D cameras blocking the action on the pitch.

 

[BigGully]

I was being facetious. Personally I think disabled supporters should get a discount. I fully understand and appreciate the desire to be treated the same as others but lets face it, it is tough being less mobile. And I see nothing wrong with making life a little easier for less able people in any situation to be honest.

I disagree, I reckon that if there are added difficulties with access or mobility then it is reasonable to ensure they have those issues resolved and if there is somehow an added cost directly due to their disabilities then discounts should be considered.

I cannot think of any other reason for them to otherwise be recompensed, I noted Lord Bracknell mentioned the overall discrepancy in a disabled persons comparative income.

I do not agree with his sentiment that this should then prompt a general discount to every disabled supporter, I would suspect that those disabled supporters personal circumstances differ greatly as with their able bodied friends that also support BHA.

Its a wee bit patronising from Herr Tubthumper in this context to 'see nothing wrong with making life a little easier for those that are less abled, in any situation to be honest

I would suspect if I was disabled this well intentioned comment would wrankle me the most.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Ambulant disabled 1901....we do pay the same price as others but the carer goes free....it was the same at Withdean...at some away grounds get a concession....like Bournemouth for instance, you get free tickets for both...but are expected to make a fair donation to their charity box...not bad for 20p...OK I was joking,before I get hounded by the NSC Police.....have no complaints with the Amex pricing.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

As a disabled person myself, I feel I am qualified to comment on this. My stance is this.. If we as disabled people want equality, we cannot pick and choose in which way. I have no issue paying the same as anyone else. You cannot one minute say I am disabled it should be cheaper, then the next scream equality issues at anyone that will listen. As far as I am concerned, the club have consulted with the various authorities ie level playing field, Bods etc, and I think they have thought of most things. They also allow a free carer which is essential for people to able use the facilities on offer. All in all I have very much enjoyed the first season at the Amex, and can't wait for the next one. Something I couldn't really say at Withdean.

I don't want to drag up all the arguments that we had a year ago, but it might be appropriate to report that the "consultations" with Level Playing Field (aka the National Association of Disabled Supporters) didn't result in a very satisfactory outcome at the time. The NADS representative that I spoke with was far from happy at the time.

A year on, things have developed - and, as far as I am aware, most of the issues have now been resolved. But I don't think anyone should take it for granted that things will automatically always be rosy.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Yes, but there are so many sections in the community where you could also say something similar:

The spending capacity of people with children is generally significantly lower than most, due to the additional cost of feeding/clothing a family, childcare and all other expenses.

The spending capacity of people with a mortage or high rent is significantly lower than most who might own their homes outright (such as some retired people).

The average income of non-graduates is on average lower than graduates.

The average income of women is lower than men - I think partly due to the number of women in part time jobs.

Etc...etc.



Bottom line is - and I do have disabled relatives - IMHO they should pay the same as everyone else does.

I'm not arguing with this at all. The point I was making was in response to this post by albion534:-

... wouldn't surprise me if some human rights group came out saying they can't earn as much as able bodied people!

The fact of the matter is that a whole range of human rights and disabled activists ARE arguing that the reduced earnings capacity of disabled people generally IS a direct result of entrenched inequalities in the way our society works. And they have a point.

 

[bomber130]

Am not going to get into the debate on this but does anyone else think the newspaper in question has made that man in the wheel chair look like a blind man. And whilst I am normally a piss taker on this site (not this time) its the first thing I thought when I saw the article. Perhaps the paper is trying to sensationalise the whole episode/debate.

 

[severnside gull]

Perhaps the paper is trying to sensationalise the whole episode/debate.

100% this

 

[Seagull Steve]

I don't want to drag up all the arguments that we had a year ago, but it might be appropriate to report that the "consultations" with Level Playing Field (aka the National Association of Disabled Supporters) didn't result in a very satisfactory outcome at the time. The NADS representative that I spoke with was far from happy at the time.

A year on, things have developed - and, as far as I am aware, most of the issues have now been resolved. But I don't think anyone should take it for granted that things will automatically always be rosy.

Correction accepted LB. I wasn't party to any of the consultations, so I probably assumed NADS and BODS were happy enough in general. I know after a chat with Tiny Tears that there were/are still things to be sorted ie RADAR locks for the toilets etc. I was merely on about the price of the ST and whether or not we should get cheaper tickets or not.

 

[shellsuit]

to be fair to the albion the set up for wheelchair supporters is pretty bloody good at the amex,carer goes free etc and the stewards who police that area are fantastic and helpful so i have nothing but praise for them and the club,at withdean however it was almost as though you were considered an afterthought and chucked in the corner,not really the clubs fault though just location and facilities.
if i did have any criticism it would be that supporters who require wheelchair parking bays(the ones with the wide access) in benetts field and have the parking tickets issued by the club to do so face a losing battle every home game because someone with a blue badge(and not a disabled parking ticket issued by the club) takes the space.

 

[shellsuit]

and disabled fans who are entitled to the middle or highest level of disability living allowance (DLA) have the opportunity to apply for an additional Season Card for a personal assistant (usually a family member) which will be issued completely free of charge

to stay on topic i cant see how the hull fan is complaining and thinks this is unfair,its a bloody good deal,if i take the old man to cricket or racing or most other sports venues to be honest they have a policy the carer goes free. what is not to like?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Its a wee bit patronising from Herr Tubthumper in this context to 'see nothing wrong with making life a little easier for those that are less abled, in any situation to be honest

I would suspect if I was disabled this well intentioned comment would wrankle me the most.

Where do you draw the line then? Is giving up your seat on a bus to an elderly person patronising?

 

[BigGully]

Where do you draw the line then? Is giving up your seat on a bus to an elderly person patronising?

You keep digging ....

If your disabled you want parity with everyone else, access, mobility and opportunity and so on, then live your life just as anyone else, failing, succeeding etc.

Not patronised by the able bodied who feel so sorry for them that require money and pity for no other reason than their physical state.

Yes I would give up my seat for the elderly to make their journey more comfortable but I wouldn't pat them on the head saying 'there, there' as I did it.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Are we talking wheelchair bound disabled fans or disabled fans per say?
Either way I think the pricing is fair unless someone is blind. I mean if you are bound to a wheelchair and a career gets in free, plus the great set up, especially in the new east upper, I think it's fair. Also if somone has a finger missing and is technically disabled, they do everything everyone else does with no restriction, then again the price should be the same.

It stops all the Alf Garnett style sitting in a wheelchair just to get in free scenario.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes I would give up my seat for the elderly to make their journey more comfortable but I wouldn't pat them on the head saying 'there, there' as I did it.

And neither would I pat them on the head saying 'there there' because obviously this would be patronising.