Much action in Westminster tonight, seems the UK and US are about to strike back against the Houthi rebels in Yemen who have been attacking shipping in the Red Sea in supposed retaliation to “the west” for the war in Gaza
GoodMuch action in Westminster tonight, seems the UK and US are about to strike back against the Houthi rebels in Yemen who have been attacking shipping in the Red Sea in supposed retaliation to “the west” for the war in Gaza
Agree. All the emoting in favour or against present or previous leaders of UK political parties has had its day. The only game in town now is holding Israel to book for genocide.As mentioned before there are other threads better suited to those of this position.
One is in permanent meltdown, while another is hands down behind a melt in waiting.
To clarify my understanding of that spoken, 4 out of 5 people that are in famine in the world right now are in Gaza.4 out of 5 people in the world suffering from famine are in the world right now. That's a truly shocking statistic
To clarify my understanding of that spoken, 4 out of 5 people that are in famine in the world right now are in Gaza
Nevertheless we've already had a post on this thread that appeared only concerned by the rising cost of UK food prices as a result
The US is the only country that can stop Israel, USD4 billion in military aid last year.Agree. All the emoting in favour or against present or previous leaders of UK political parties has had its day. The only game in town now is holding Israel to book for genocide.
Sadly that won't stop Hamas or whatever comes afterwards rinsing off their arms procurement and repeating, from whatever is left of Gaza.
And in the meantime the US will not hold Israel back.
Is there anything anyone can do to stop this? I can't think of anything. The two sides seem to have messiah complex and are willing to disregard every boundary in pursuit of what the regard as righteous smiting.
..alongside continued arms trade with Saudi, hence as you say a long lasting famine in Yemen.There is also a massive famine in Yemen yet the UK is more preoccupied with offensive military intervention on Israels behalf / shipping protection rather than stopping a genocide.
1. Agree. And they won'tThe US is the only country that can stop Israel, USD4 billion in military aid last year.
If Israel is found guilty of genocide in the International court support from many European countries is going to soften.
I don’t know how Britain can be criticised this military response. Houthi forces have been launching continuous sustained attacks on warships and merchant vessels belonging to Britain, British interests and our allies. What do you do, turn a blind eye? Hope one of our warships isn’t sunk or civilians and military killed?
Britain warns of severe consequences after Houthi attack in Red Sea repelled | Yemen | The Guardian
US and UK warships shoot down barrage of rockets, drones and cruise missiles fired at ships by Yemeni groupamp.theguardian.com
“Late on Wednesday the UN security council adopted a resolution condemning and demanding an immediate halt to Houthi attacks.
The resolution, sponsored by the United States and Japan, said at least two dozen Houthi attacks are impeding global commerce “and undermine navigational rights and freedoms as well as regional peace and security”.
I would suggest the quickest and most peaceful end to this military action would be for Yemeni forces to stop attacking British ships in peacetime?
The sitting government is under no obligation to consult Parliament or gain their approval, although I do note the BBC saying that Starmer was invited to the briefing as a courtesy (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67954031).Personally I would like to feel confident that the UK's involvement in this was backed by the process and approval of the international coalition created to deal with the situation in Yemen. Additionally and most importantly I would like to feel confident that this action was taken with parliamentary approval and after a process of discussion in parliament.
From what I am reading both of these things are in doubt. Has the government gone rouge on this. Is the suggestion of another illegal war in the middle east too dramatic? Time will tell I guess.
oh it will. i already see people comparing to "Sunak's Falklands" in an attempt to politicise. ignoring the US involvement and, most significantly, the Houthi lobbing missiles at civilian ships for weeks. i suppose we should just sit back do nothing and route all our ships away.I don’t know how Britain can be criticised this military response. Houthi forces have been launching continuous sustained attacks on warships and merchant vessels belonging to Britain, British interests and our allies. What do you do, turn a blind eye? Hope one of our warships isn’t sunk or civilians and military killed?
The sitting government is under no obligation to consult Parliament or gain their approval, although I do note the BBC saying that Starmer was invited to the briefing as a courtesy (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67954031).
Terms like “illegal war” are entirely hyperbolic (at least, at this stage of play) - the US, UK and their allies have struck targets to prevent further attacks on their interests, military and personnel both civilian and military.
It’s a “clean shoot”.
That’s the problem, isn’t it. Because this government are so inept any sort of action, however justified/necessary, will be immediately politicised as being about the Tories, rather than about British interests coming under direct attack.oh it will. i already see people comparing to "Sunak's Falklands" in an attempt to politicise. ignoring the US involvement and, most significantly, the Houthi lobbing missiles at civilian ships for weeks. i suppose we should just sit back do nothing and route all our ships away.
Out of interest, what would your solution be? Not having a go, genuinely curious. Obviously you’d like parliament to reconvene and debate this, gain cross-party support and then decide.Not really sure I believe in the concept of a 'clean shoot'.
From what I have read this action sits outside the coalition formed to deal with the problem.
I guess we see what comes out in the wash.
Right now I feel very uncomfortable and mistrusting about the whole situation.
Out of interest, what would your solution be? Not having a go, genuinely curious. Obviously you’d like parliament to reconvene and debate this, gain cross-party support and then decide.
In the mean time, what is your opinion of British warships and civilian/Danish/Norwegian merchant ships being targeted by another (according to Iran/Hezbollah) “sovereign nation” with repeat rocket attacks for weeks on end?
Would a ship have to be sunk? Two? How many deaths before Britain was “allowed” to respond in kind?
This isn’t “an Iraq”, although obviously it will be spun that way by certain people, it is a completely different set of circumstances.
I wouldn’t say I feel “happy” with the outcome. I’m saying that if a country was attacking your ships for weeks on end, a military response is inevitable. Wars have started over much less.Yes I would processes in place to make sure that this action is the correct one. Though the British parliament, the UN and the coalition set up for this purpose.
This way I will feel more confident of the window of bombing another country.
You seem pretty happy with the outcome, perhaps it will prove to be the right move. I am less confident about that.
As I say only time will tell on that front.