I don’t think it’s completely fair to say they don’t care. I’m sure they do if only to placate their allies in the West.
I was wondering this when they talked about the fighting continuing for most of 2024. Even if the goal was to kill everyone, it couldn't take this long.
It’s problematic on a number of levels and can be deliberately inflammatory but ‘Holocaust memory’ has been ’activated’ by both ‘sides; by Israeli military and far right leaders in response to the massacre by calling Hamas, ‘Nazi’s’ and 7/10 ‘the worst attack since the Holocaust‘. Thus ‘mandating a more disproportionate response to the attack’ by weaponising both historical grief and the immediate grief of Jewish people and magnifying the massacre by linking it to that of a much larger event in Jewish history.
Because they are fighting a subterranean enemy- miles of deep fortified tunnelling exists under Gaza ( has done for decades and in part helped by the Israelis to build) - tunnelling that is largely out of reach of bomb strikes and out of sight of surveillance drones. Hamas are hiding out in this vast tunnel system - It’s a form of urban guerrilla warfare that is very high risk and will take months to clear those tunnels. Clearing the tunnels may demilitarise Gaza of Hamas but unless Israeli starts precision bomb attacks in Iraq, Qatar and Turkey, they won’t destroy the organisation.
You have a narrative that exists only in your own mind. Nobody is not condemning the killings. Some of us have moved on to considering the solutions.
It’s problematic on a number of levels and can be deliberately inflammatory but ‘Holocaust memory’ has been ’activated’ by both ‘sides; by Israeli military and far right leaders in response to the massacre by calling Hamas, ‘Nazi’s’ and 7/10 ‘the worst attack since the Holocaust‘. Thus ‘mandating a more disproportionate response to the attack’ by weaponising both historical grief and the immediate grief of Jewish people and magnifying the massacre by linking it to that of a much larger event in Jewish history.
Holocaust memory has also been flipped on its head and weaponised by ’enemies’ of Israel to delegitimise their actions in Gaza by suggesting that Israel/Jews have no right to inflict on others what they had done to them - thus using comparisons to the Holocaust as moral hogtie on Netanyahu’s actions in Gaza. There is a third use by more objective observers that simply see parallels in the genocidal character of both the Holocaust and what is happening in Gaza - and in the apartheid policies of the Occupiers. Using terms like ‘Holocaust’ helps them to articulate what is otherwise an unspeakable horror by comparing it to what has become synonymous with one of the darkest blots on human history.
Personally I think it better to avoid any comparisons with that part of history and instead be more direct in describing what is happening for what it is - we don’t need to use the Holocaust as a metaphor or Nazi progrom terminology to call out ‘apartheid’ or genocide wherever it occurs and by whom or to whom.
You may both find this an interesting précis
The Real Danger of Using Holocaust Analogies Right Now
Comparing the events of October 7 and the war on Gaza to the Holocaust risks justifying militarism at any scale.time.com
But sadly just like the response of America's 'left' to the gun killing sprees in America, they will stop short of doing anything that would make any difference. Such as telling Bibi to stop 'or else'.Well, the man who will have the best intelligence in the world, and the leader of Israel's greatest ally, described it as "indiscriminate bombing".
Joe Biden: "But they're starting to lose that support by indiscriminate bombing that takes place,"
Israel losing global support over Gaza bombing, Biden says
The US president issues his strongest criticism yet and refers to "indiscriminate bombing" in Gaza.www.bbc.co.uk
A couple of posters seem to pass up the opportunity for said condemnation ( I may have missed it of course).
I get your point. Sadly I think the time for winning Israeli hearts and mind is long gone. Perhaps it is time they were made to understand that they will be judged by the same standards as others, and that the last nearly eighty years of cutting them some slack is over.
This type of dialogue shows why comparisons with Nazi Germany are problematic - The Holocaust resulted from a Nazi ideology that targeted European Jews as a race (and other “impure” groups) - Holocaust memory therefore is rooted in the consciousness of Jewish self-identity. One can’t weaponise the Holocaust memory and just use it to beat Netanyahu over the head with it, it is a weapon of mass destruction that targets all Jews.
Some might say rather like our own 'left', don't you think?
we went into former Yugoslavia, UN peacekeepers in many African countries to keep warring peoples apart. Israel is definately treated differently, of course its latent guilt trip. maybe Holocaust is not the right word to use, genocide or ethinic clensing will do.
I’m confused 🫤 Can you be more specific please? - I’m not sure I understand how what you’ve said relates to ‘guilt’? Or how the UN peacekeepers prove Israel has got away with breaching international laws the past 80 years? (which was the suggestion I was responding to). There are 12 UN peacekeeping missions currently with the blue line separating Israel from Lebanon and Syria - Kosovo and Africa that you mention, Cyprus and Kashmir.
Our 'left' has no traction with Israel. And it is not in favour of personal gun ownership. As similar to America's left as football is to 'American football'.
and people attempting to Weaponize Starmer's failure to 'condemn' Israel is.....a tory or an irritable mad left winger, or and irrelevant liberal.
Slander, is it?
