[News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

[hans kraay fan club]

Its all getting completely ridiculous now - that any legitimate questioning of Israel's actions is effectively disallowed.

In the past 48 hours, both our government and opposition have effectively sacked and expelled prominent MPs for suggesting that people stop killing each other.

It's f***ing MENTAL.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[nicko31]

Its all getting completely ridiculous now - that any legitimate questioning of Israel's actions is effectively disallowed.

In the past 48 hours, both our government and opposition have effectively sacked and expelled prominent MPs for suggesting that people stop killing each other.

It's f***ing MENTAL.

MSN

www.msn.com

This is no time for the suggestion of peaceful liberty.....

Andy McDonald...

We say to the UK, American and Israeli governments: Enough! Enough of the bombardment!

Enough of the siege! Enough of the occupation!

We won’t rest until we have justice.

Until all people, Israelis & Palestinians, between the river & the sea can live in peaceful liberty.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

This horrendous Hamas attack has certainly highlighted to me how badly the Palestinians are being treated . They are being pushed out of their homes by illegal Jewish settlers and the Israeli government is looking the other way . I am on no one’s side and just want this religious war to stop .

I'd like to think that if you were a settler anywhere and a decent person, you'd just keep your head down a bit, try not to make waves unduly, maybe even try and make friends with your neighbours in the neighbouring village. In what parallel universe would you go out and start taking potshots at them and trying to force them out of their homes? And what decent government would just stand back and let you do it?

 

[Is it PotG?]

This is no time for the suggestion of peaceful liberty.....

Andy McDonald...

We say to the UK, American and Israeli governments: Enough! Enough of the bombardment!

Enough of the siege! Enough of the occupation!

We won’t rest until we have justice.

Until all people, Israelis & Palestinians, between the river & the sea can live in peaceful liberty.

What do you think of the choice of words?

 

[Is it PotG?]

A compromise modification -to appease those that take the original literally in all circumstances- Both West Bank and Gaza are between the sea’- nothing wrong in that.

Why do you think Starmer acted as he did then?

 

[Bakero]

What do you think of the choice of words?

What do you think about this phrase from the Likud charter: "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".

Not quite as catchy is it.

 

[Bakero]

Why do you think Starmer acted as he did then?

Because he's got an election in sight and is terrified of being Corbynned.

 

[Is it PotG?]

What do you think about this phrase from the Likud charter: "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".

Not quite as catchy is it.

Sorry, my mistake, I thought I asked a question.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Because he's got an election in sight and is terrified of being Corbynned.

Fair enough.

 

[Bakero]

Sorry, my mistake, I thought I asked a question.

My apologies. I forgot to answer your question. I think his wording was fine. I don't see any problem with a call for peace and freedom for all in the region.

I take it you have an issue with the wording so wondered what you thought about the phrase in the Likud charter.

 

[AK74]

For those wondering about the phrase used by Andy McDonald (as I was), this is useful:

‘From the river to the sea’: where does the slogan come from and what does it mean?

Andy McDonald was suspended from the Labour party for using the phrase, which some say advocates the eradication of Israel

www.theguardian.com

 

[nicko31]

What do you think of the choice of words?

Well its not what I'd expect from a speech at a hate march.

I see he's left it up on twitter, credit to him for that.

 

[Is it PotG?]

My apologies. I forgot to answer your question. I think his wording was fine. I don't see any problem with a call for peace and freedom for all in the region.

I take it you have an issue with the wording so wondered what you thought about the phrase in the Likud charter.

A fair comment, so why the Starmer response?

 

[1066familyman]

I'd like to think that if you were a settler anywhere and a decent person, you'd just keep your head down a bit, try not to make waves unduly, maybe even try and make friends with your neighbours in the neighbouring village. In what parallel universe would you go out and start taking potshots at them and trying to force them out of their homes? And what decent government would just stand back and let you do it?

I don't think peaceful, keeping your head down, is quite how 'settler' communities tend to work unfortunately.
At least they haven't, in the main, historically.

 

[rippleman]

Who sees this and thinks, "Yes, this will bring peace."

Sir Starmer I guess.

 

[rippleman]

F@@k me Braverman is so toxic, the Queen of Division

'These are hate marches': Home secretary hits out at pro-Palestinian protests as UK terror threat level remains 'substantial'

When questioned about demonstrations in London, Suella Braverman said police were dealing with a "large number of bad actors" and urged forces to take a "zero tolerance approach to antisemitism".

news.sky.com

She is so bloody thick. These are marches for Peace. She doesn't understand the difference between the global Jewish community and the extreme right wing government of Israel.

This kind of shit she is spouting risks more conflicts, more attacks in this country. She is batshit mental

 

[Bakero]

A fair comment, so why the Starmer response?

Because he's going all out to show he's PM material ie. Not going to rock the boat.

Any show of dissent when it comes to Israel will be quickly snuffed out lest accusations of anti-Semitism return.

For what's it's worth, Andy MacDonald should have anticipated the response. Obviously, he reworded the normal slogan but in doing so he's was sticking his head above the parapet and risking being accused of trolling at best.

 

[nicko31]

She is so bloody thick. These are marches for Peace. She doesn't understand the difference between the global Jewish community and the extreme right wing government of Israel.

This kind of shit she is spouting risks more conflicts, more attacks in this country. She is batshit mental

Not sure she's thick, she's just an Islamophobe

 

[rippleman]

Hamas are the government of Palestine. It's a sad truth that they do represent ordinary Palestinians, whether the ordinary Palestinians want them to or not.

There is no means of com[promise between the man who wants a baby dead, and a man who wants a baby to live. They cannot both have just part of what they want. Only one can be pleased. Obviously Israel does have the alternative of simply closing the border, letting Palestine fend for itself with support from whoever wishes to give it them, but I suspect that would be considered inhumane as well. One thing can be stated with near certainty - that no Palestinians will be allowed to cross the border from Gaza as long as Hamas are in charge.

(Even if Palestine's infrastructure was intact, they would still be struggling. It's pretty clear that the Israeli policy of supplying fuel and water to Gaza is going to stop, probably forever. They are going to have to make their own via desalination plants. They used to have an aquifer, but they didn't maintain it and it is contaminated by pollution and sea water.)

A tiny bright spark - after WW2, the German support for Hitler faded away very quickly as the Germans realised what an evil government had been representing them. Part of this was by showing every adult and near-adult German a film of the atrocities such as Belsen. Perhaps the Palestinians could be shown what has been done in their name and see if that helps. Though possibly the religious indoctrination is even more deep rooted than the Nazi indoctrination; so many of them may be too far gone down the "Jews are evil" line to ever get over it.

Not quite sure whether you are just incapable of understanding the difference between the global Jewish community and the extreme right wing government of the State of Israel.

Or is it just that it suits your personal political bias not to.

Children are being needlessly slaughtered. There has to be a ceasefire now.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

She is so bloody thick. These are marches for Peace. She doesn't understand the difference between the global Jewish community and the extreme right wing government of Israel.

This kind of shit she is spouting risks more conflicts, more attacks in this country. She is batshit mental

Most poisonous bitch since Thatcher