GOD: How much do you believe in him?

[One Love]

Simple. 2 is the more likely. If not then you are once again faced with the question that no religious person ever likes to answer. If all things need a first cause and creator then who or what created god?

I answered it, you just didn't like the answer.

Let's try a physical explanation because that's what you want to explain something non-physical.

How about...... God came into being with a Big Bang caused by a singularity caused by.......oh!

Not a good explanation for anything coming into being, is it?

 

[One Love]

actually, i will generally mock the religious on the basis they dont have an answer to the problem of evil, which rather renders their whole believe system either cruel or ignorant.

What is the question to the problem of evil?

 

[One Love]

It's surely similar to the chances of winning a lottery. Given that there are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky Way alone, whilst life is not probable in an individual solar system, it is probable given the number of opportunities that exist within the universe.

Sir Fred Hoyle, an astrophysicist, compared the random emergence of the simplest cell to the likelihood that "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein."

He's not liked very much in some communities.

 

[One Love]

I used to follow Stockport but after falling out spectacularly with some people up there and also the former club chairman at Stockport - and being threatened with a lible action by the current chairman after I called him a corrupt peer, his name is Lord Peter Snape if you want to google him - I tend to not really 'support' anyone at the moment. But for reasons lost in antiquity, like a drunken encounter with a young lad called Piers one day after a match and knowing Attila and Graham Dagless for decades, I have a soft spot for you lot.

You don't support Brighton!!!

You have made all those posts on a football site and you don't support Brighton!!!

What are you doing on here?

Oh dear

 

[DIRK STEELE]

Sir Fred Hoyle, an astrophysicist, compared the random emergence of the simplest cell to the likelihood that "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein."

He's not liked very much in some communities.

He is not liked in rational scientific modern societies because his statement is stupid and demonstrates a huge ignorance. But then again.. we have learned much from the 1950s and if he were alive today he would not say such rubbish.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

I answered it, you just didn't like the answer.

Let's try a physical explanation because that's what you want to explain something non-physical.

How about...... God came into being with a Big Bang caused by a singularity caused by.......oh!

Not a good explanation for anything coming into being, is it?

No. But the scientific evidence from the result of the big bang is there for all to see. The evidence for god is less well founded...

 

[One Love]

No. But the scientific evidence from the result of the big bang is there for all to see. The evidence for god is less well founded...

Geez, again missing the point.

What is it about scientists that they can pull apart what they believe to be holes in viewpoints that disagree with their own yet ignore their own massive holes.

 

[One Love]

He is not liked in rational scientific modern societies because his statement is stupid and demonstrates a huge ignorance. But then again.. we have learned much from the 1950s and if he were alive today he would not say such rubbish.

In your opinion which you have just stated as though it is fact. Doh!

 

[rocker959]

hehehe

 

[DIRK STEELE]

It's obviously unexplainable, you've got to experience it to understand.

Well Buddha said that he could only point the way.... but in terms of one's feelings, it is well documented that our experience can be false. Our knowledge of the world has evolved via our senses which do not accord with reality. Which is why we cannot see ultra violet light directly. And why we hear 'sounds' via changes of air pressure. It is also well documented that people who 'suffer' from temporal lobe epilepsy have extreme 'religious' and 'profound' experiences and have a direct communication with a God.. or Gods. Doesn't make it a reality, more of a delusion. What experience have you had? (oh and most deluded people think what they experience is reality... )

 

[DIRK STEELE]

In your opinion which you have just stated as though it is fact. Doh!

No... not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scientific community. Or else show me otherwise. I am quite willing to accept I am wrong.... in fact it is encouraged!! So go ahead... who else today thinks Hoyle is correct?

 

[One Love]

No... not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scientific community. Or else show me otherwise. I am quite willing to accept I am wrong.... in fact it is encouraged!! So go ahead... who else today thinks Hoyle is correct?

The scientific community just hates one of their own ever coming out with stuff like this.

Come on, do you really walk around on this wonderful planet and witness the billions of miracles going on around you and not question that can't all be by accident.

I went to Herstmonceux this year and the guy there was talking about eclipses. He said to me "Do you know, the moon is exactly the right distance between us and the sun and exactly the right size to produce a perfect eclipse". I looked at him and thought and I bet you just take that little miracle as yet another coincidence.

This is interesting

THE MIRACLE OF HORMONES - Harun Yahya

 

[DIRK STEELE]

Geez, again missing the point.

What is it about scientists that they can pull apart what they believe to be holes in viewpoints that disagree with their own yet ignore their own massive holes.

So how come you do not see the hole in your head? Jeez... it is like trying to teach quantum mechanics to sheep...

 

[beorhthelm]

How about...... God came into being with a Big Bang caused by a singularity caused by.......oh!

Not a good explanation for anything coming into being, is it?

much better that the answer is god just willed himself into existance. where did the self come to be willed into existance... oh!

this point of existance is beyond both science and theology.

What is the question to the problem of evil?

well its been well covered earlier but just for you: if God is all powerfull, all knowing and benevolent, how why does he allow evil, manifest as war, famine, disease, suffering, abuse, etc. as an real example, how does he allow a baby to be born with their intestines outside their body, rendering them hospital bound until surgery corrects or they would die.

 

[teaboy]

No... not my opinion. It is the opinion of the scientific community. Or else show me otherwise. I am quite willing to accept I am wrong.... in fact it is encouraged!! So go ahead... who else today thinks Hoyle is correct?

Most of the scientific community. He had more than 1 thought in his life and was an incredible physicist. Yes, he was wrong about the Big Bang (his term, by the way), but later calculations by him help to show how the universe expands.

 

[DerbyGull]

The scientific community just hates one of their own ever coming out with stuff like this.

Come on, do you really walk around on this wonderful planet and witness the billions of miracles going on around you and not question that can't all be by accident.

I went to Herstmonceux this year and the guy there was talking about eclipses. He said to me "Do you know, the moon is exactly the right distance between us and the sun and exactly the right size to produce a perfect eclipse". I looked at him and thought and I bet you just take that little miracle as yet another coincidence.

This is interesting


THE MIRACLE OF HORMONES - Harun Yahya

Far too much mystery for it to be purely accidental/coincidence.

 

[One Love]

So how come you do not see the hole in your head? Jeez... it is like trying to teach quantum mechanics to sheep...

I try and see the holes all the time and then try to understand and fill them. Do you?

 

[teaboy]

I went to Herstmonceux this year and the guy there was talking about eclipses. He said to me "Do you know, the moon is exactly the right distance between us and the sun and exactly the right size to produce a perfect eclipse". I looked at him and thought and I bet you just take that little miracle as yet another coincidence.

How is that a miracle? It's a coincidence, and has no consequence.

 

[DIRK STEELE]

The scientific community just hates one of their own ever coming out with stuff like this.

Come on, do you really walk around on this wonderful planet and witness the billions of miracles going on around you and not question that can't all be by accident.

I went to Herstmonceux this year and the guy there was talking about eclipses. He said to me "Do you know, the moon is exactly the right distance between us and the sun and exactly the right size to produce a perfect eclipse". I looked at him and thought and I bet you just take that little miracle as yet another coincidence.

This is interesting

THE MIRACLE OF HORMONES - Harun Yahya

I can witness billions of miracles every day!... but why are these by accident? Or do you mean by chance? Flip a coin an infinite number of times and you will get an infinite sequence of heads! This may seem a miracle to you but to a mathematician it is an obvious occurrence! Happens every time!.... But if, on the other hand, you are too dumb to understand.... it will seem miraculous!

 

[One Love]

much better that the answer is god just willed himself into existance. where did the self come to be willed into existance... oh!

this point of existance is beyond both science and theology.



well its been well covered earlier but just for you: if God is all powerfull, all knowing and benevolent, how why does he allow evil, manifest as war, famine, disease, suffering, abuse, etc. as an real example, how does he allow a baby to be born with their intestines outside their body, rendering them hospital bound until surgery corrects or they would die.

OK, the short reply.

We created evil deeds, thoughts etc. There is no such thing as evil per se. It's all another part of the experience called life.

We've touched on this before, you can't have light without dark. Bit like looking at a lit candle in the sun.