GOD: How much do you believe in him?

[Mr Burns]

Christians (And the bible says) believe he's a fallen angel, who was unhappy with gods plan. Basically telling God to do one.

Sounds like a top bloke to me

 

[Mr Burns]

And he did create man so great that they could learn skills that would FIX that baby's problem.

EARLIER IN THE THREAD around page 30

So what about the millions of babies that die each year? How does that work with them getting into heaven..... let me guess, they are taken by default. So what about a child that dies before reaching double figures? Default again.... where does it stop? Or do you have to have lived on the earth for X amount of years to quailify for a place in heaven?

[missing a couple of 'filler posts'] Then...,.

You could say they are the lucky ones, though that sounds cruel as they never had a chance at some of the joys of life, they also never had a chance to do good or bad. When some one dies we're (christians) supposed to believe it's because god 'took them'. And because they never had a chance to commit sin (the thing that keeps us from being in gods presence (being in heaven) when we die) then they will go strainght to heaven possibly to be 'sent back' by god to have another chance.

So any doctor that FIXES a baby is surely doing the devils work, as God has called the baby, the "lucky baby" into his kingdom, so anyone preventing that from happening is working against god, which you have said numerous times, anyone working against god is doing the devils work.

So by that logic, all doctors must be evil?

 

[DerbyGull]

EARLIER IN THE THREAD around page 30
[missing a couple of 'filler posts'] Then...,.




So any doctor that FIXES a baby is surely doing the devils work, as God has called the baby, the "lucky baby" into his kingdom, so anyone preventing that from happening is working against god, which you have said numerous times, anyone working against god is doing the devils work.

So by that logic, all doctors must be evil?

After both of us getting banned you still want to keep bringing this up?

Do you know when to let something drop?

Obviously not.

I'm no playing your games Burns.

 

[Mr Burns]

After both of us getting banned you still want to keep bringing this up?

Do you know when to let something drop?

Obviously not.

I'm no playing your games Burns.

And he did create man so great that they could learn skills that would FIX that baby's problem.

EARLIER IN THE THREAD around page 30

So what about the millions of babies that die each year? How does that work with them getting into heaven..... let me guess, they are taken by default. So what about a child that dies before reaching double figures? Default again.... where does it stop? Or do you have to have lived on the earth for X amount of years to quailify for a place in heaven?

[missing a couple of 'filler posts'] Then...,.

You could say they are the lucky ones, though that sounds cruel as they never had a chance at some of the joys of life, they also never had a chance to do good or bad. When some one dies we're (christians) supposed to believe it's because god 'took them'. And because they never had a chance to commit sin (the thing that keeps us from being in gods presence (being in heaven) when we die) then they will go strainght to heaven possibly to be 'sent back' by god to have another chance.

So any doctor that FIXES a baby is surely doing the devils work, as God has called the baby, the "lucky baby" into his kingdom, so anyone preventing that from happening is working against god, which you have said numerous times, anyone working against god is doing the devils work.

So by that logic, all doctors must be evil?

 

[beorhthelm]

So by that logic, all doctors must be evil?

from the discussion this evening, DerbyGull doesn't do logic, just has blind faith in an tyrannical god figure who is powerless to prevent suffering.

(he doesnt do christianity very well either, with the suggestion of reincarnation)

 

[El Presidente]

So by that logic, all doctors must be evil?

There's only ONE Doctor Evil Monty

 

[Mr Burns]

There's only ONE Doctor Evil Monty

 

[readingstockport]

This is only a theory of what happened. All will be revealed when we die

No you won't. You will be dead and that will be it. Sadly, as there is no afterlife, you will not get to realise you wasted yours worshiping a hateful, bigoted, vengeful, vicious, spiteful and vindictive imaginary friend.

As you believe in a 'loving' god can you tell me something, no other xtian has been willing to address the question - either lying or pretending the question hasn't been asked.

After he sent the two she bears to tear up 42 children for the crime of laughing at a bald man did he let the children so recently ripped to pieces at his behest into heaven? Or, because they (presumably) died unrepentent of the sin of laughing at the bald man are they now also suffereing unending torment in hell?

 

[DerbyGull]

No you won't. You will be dead and that will be it. Sadly, as there is no afterlife, you will not get to realise you wasted yours worshiping a hateful, bigoted, vengeful, vicious, spiteful and vindictive imaginary friend.

As you believe in a 'loving' god can you tell me something, no other xtian has been willing to address the question - either lying or pretending the question hasn't been asked.

After he sent the two she bears to tear up 42 children for the crime of laughing at a bald man did he let the children so recently ripped to pieces at his behest into heaven? Or, because they (presumably) died unrepentent of the sin of laughing at the bald man are they now also suffereing unending torment in hell?

For you simpleton:

Question: "Why did the Prophet Elisha curse the “youths” for making fun of his baldness (2 Kings 2:23-24)?"

Answer: There are a few key issues we must understand in regards to this account of the youths cursing Elisha. The text reads, “From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Go on up, you baldhead!’ they said. ‘Go on up, you baldhead!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.” It seems unbelievable that God would cause two bears to maul a group of children for making fun of a man for being bald.

First, the King James Version has done us a disservice by translated the term as “children.” The Hebrew word can refer to “children,” but rather more specifically means "young men." The NIV, quoted here, uses the word “youths.” Second, the fact that the bears mauled 42 of the youths indicates that there were more than 42 youths involved. This was not a small group of children making fun of a bald man. Rather, it was a large demonstration of young men who assembled for the purpose of mocking a prophet of God. Third, the mocking of “go on up you baldhead,” is more than making fun of baldness. The baldness of Elisha referred to here may be: 1) natural loss of hair; 2) a shaved head denoting his separation to the prophetic office; or more likely, 3) an epithet of scorn and contempt, Elijah not being literally bald. The phrase “go up” likely was a reference to Elijah, Elisha’s mentor, being taken up to Heaven earlier in 2 Kings chapter 2:11-12. These youths were sarcastically taunting and insulting the Lord’s prophet by telling him to repeat Elijah’s translation.

In summary, 2 Kings 2:23-24 is not an account of God mauling young children for making fun of a bald man. Rather, it is a record of an insulting demonstration against God’s prophet by a large group of young men. Because these young people of about 20 years of age or older (the same term is used of Solomon in 1 Kings 3:7) so despised the prophet of the Lord, Elisha called upon the Lord to deal with the rebels as He saw fit. The Lord’s punishment was the mauling of 42 of them by two female bears. The penalty was clearly justified, for to ridicule Elisha was to ridicule the Lord Himself. The seriousness of the crime was indicated by the seriousness of the punishment. The appalling judgment was God’s warning to all who would scorn the prophets of the Lord.

Why did the Prophet Elisha curse the “youths” for making fun of his baldness (2 Kings 2:23-24)?

Of course you could have looked that up yourself rather than try to look smart.

 

[beorhthelm]

The seriousness of the crime was indicated by the seriousness of the punishment. The appalling judgment was God’s warning to all who would scorn the prophets of the Lord.

not only does this whole defense rely on the version of the bible used being unauthoritive due to translation (so just how many other things are wrong...?), it still makes your god hateful, bigoted, vengeful, vicious, spiteful and vindictive.

 

[seagullmouse]

In a nutshell: Like there was a Judas amongst Jesus' disciples, so too was there a Judas amongst God's angels. Lucifer (the devil) was the highest ranking angels, and didn't like God's plan of sending Jesus to earth to atonement for human sin, adopting us (the human race) as his brothers and sisters and elevating us above him. Basically his pride got in the way. And hence why pride is the WORST of the 7 deadly sins.

This is putting it really simple and maybe someone more knowledgeable could put it better than i have.

Did god create the angels and therefore Lucifer as well?
If yes, did he create Lucifer's pride as well?

 

[DerbyGull]

Did god create the angels and therefore Lucifer as well?
If yes, did he create Lucifer's pride as well?

Don't know, why don't you type it into google?

 

[El Presidente]

Don't know, why don't you type it into google?

Was Google around when the Bible was written?

 

[seagullmouse]

Don't know, why don't you type it into google?

I thought if you believed in this stuff you would have researched it?

 

[DerbyGull]

I thought if you believed in this stuff you would have researched it?

Merely skimming the surface atm.

 

[El Presidente]

Merely skimming the surface atm.

I genuinely think you would benefit from reading The God Delusion. It does no harm to challenge your faith, the book certainly gave me (a lapsed Catholic) overwhelming evidence as to the non-existence of a deity.

 

[DerbyGull]

I genuinely think you would benefit from reading The God Delusion. It does no harm to challenge your faith, the book certainly gave me (a lapsed Catholic) overwhelming evidence as to the non-existence of a deity.

Believe me mate, i'm planning on the God Delusion too, and someone on here mentioned another book on evolution also (I forget the name right now). I have been a lapsed catholic since i left school (so my whole life pretty much), only now am i starting to question/believe etc and learn.

 

[bhaexpress]

Believe me mate, i'm planning on the God Delusion too, and someone on here mentioned another book on evolution also (I forget the name right now). I have been a lapsed catholic since i left school (so my whole life pretty much), only now am i starting to question/believe etc and learn.

Here's a tip, apart from anything else the Moon is not really made of Green Cheese and sorry, but there's really no Father Christmas.

 

[Mr Burns]

Don't know, why don't you type it into google?

Originally Posted by DerbyGull
After both of us getting banned you still want to keep bringing this up?

Do you know when to let something drop?

Obviously not.

I'm no playing your games Burns.
Originally Posted by DerbyGull
And he did create man so great that they could learn skills that would FIX that baby's problem.
EARLIER IN THE THREAD around page 30

Originally Posted by Mr Burns
So what about the millions of babies that die each year? How does that work with them getting into heaven..... let me guess, they are taken by default. So what about a child that dies before reaching double figures? Default again.... where does it stop? Or do you have to have lived on the earth for X amount of years to quailify for a place in heaven?
[missing a couple of 'filler posts'] Then...,.


Originally Posted by DerbyGull
You could say they are the lucky ones, though that sounds cruel as they never had a chance at some of the joys of life, they also never had a chance to do good or bad. When some one dies we're (christians) supposed to believe it's because god 'took them'. And because they never had a chance to commit sin (the thing that keeps us from being in gods presence (being in heaven) when we die) then they will go strainght to heaven possibly to be 'sent back' by god to have another chance.

So any doctor that FIXES a baby is surely doing the devils work, as God has called the baby, the "lucky baby" into his kingdom, so anyone preventing that from happening is working against god, which you have said numerous times, anyone working against god is doing the devils work.

So by that logic, all doctors must be evil?

 

[Mr Burns]

Believe me mate, i'm planning on the God Delusion too, and someone on here mentioned another book on evolution also (I forget the name right now). I have been a lapsed catholic since i left school (so my whole life pretty much), only now am i starting to question/believe etc and learn.

Originally Posted by DerbyGull
After both of us getting banned you still want to keep bringing this up?

Do you know when to let something drop?

Obviously not.

I'm no playing your games Burns.
Originally Posted by DerbyGull
And he did create man so great that they could learn skills that would FIX that baby's problem.
EARLIER IN THE THREAD around page 30

Originally Posted by Mr Burns
So what about the millions of babies that die each year? How does that work with them getting into heaven..... let me guess, they are taken by default. So what about a child that dies before reaching double figures? Default again.... where does it stop? Or do you have to have lived on the earth for X amount of years to quailify for a place in heaven?
[missing a couple of 'filler posts'] Then...,.


Originally Posted by DerbyGull
You could say they are the lucky ones, though that sounds cruel as they never had a chance at some of the joys of life, they also never had a chance to do good or bad. When some one dies we're (christians) supposed to believe it's because god 'took them'. And because they never had a chance to commit sin (the thing that keeps us from being in gods presence (being in heaven) when we die) then they will go strainght to heaven possibly to be 'sent back' by god to have another chance.

So any doctor that FIXES a baby is surely doing the devils work, as God has called the baby, the "lucky baby" into his kingdom, so anyone preventing that from happening is working against god, which you have said numerous times, anyone working against god is doing the devils work.

So by that logic, all doctors must be evil?