GOD: How much do you believe in him?

[super-seagulls]

This is worth a look, if you need intelligent views on the catholic church, and religion.

 

[Uncle C]

 

[seagullmouse]

Similar thread here

 

[djm21]

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Are you 12 or something?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Are you 12 or something?

In IQ points, most likely.

 

[seagullmouse]

Are you 12 or something?

Its impossible to have an intelligent and logical debate with you, I think mockery is just as logical and valid as faith. At present higher percentage believe in tooth fairy than god, lets see how it ends up.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

so are you talking about "a god" amongst many, or "God" the singular Judeo-Christian-Islamic context? seems you get yourself confused, rather like DerbyGull, make up you mind what you believe in.

I've never been confused about what I'm talking about as I've often stated i'm talking about a god in a non blblical sense.

 

[seagullmouse]

In IQ points, most likely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence#Studies_comparing_religious_belief_and_I.Q

"I'm not saying that believing in God makes you dumber. My hypothesis is that people with a low intelligence are more easily drawn toward religions, which give answers that are certain, while people with a high intelligence are more skeptical," says the professor.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

i really dont get you at all......you claim to be still looking for definitive proof of god.

how on earth can you say that and not contradict your Catholic faith.......that just reeks of hypocrisy.especially when you are lecturing people on here, are you so surprised so many people argue against you when you dont even have a clue what you are yourself........either stick to being a catholic and keep telling us all what to believe or tell it as it is and be an agnostic and keep telling us what to believe......either way i for one will not be able to take anything you say seriously

Quite easy really.

Within me I sense a presence that to me has always represented "god". Now I seek to explore the physical/scientific things that might show a physical presence to go with that sense of precense I feel.

As for being a contradiction, well aren't we all? I follow christs teachings, I enjoy working/socialising within the Catholic community I'm part of. That makes me Catholic in my book.

To be Catholic is to be part of the worlds most diverse community in the world. No other community shares so many different cultures. It gives me so many varied avenues to help out others in the community and feel part of it I don't think i'd ever leave it.

Given you've offered nothing to this thread in terms of discussion I guess I shouldn't take you seriously either.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence#Studies_comparing_religious_belief_and_I.Q

"I'm not saying that believing in God makes you dumber. My hypothesis is that people with a low intelligence are more easily drawn toward religions, which give answers that are certain, while people with a high intelligence are more skeptical," says the professor.

What's that supposed to prove?

Decarte's ear wax was smarter than you and he was a believer.

The worlds heard of Descatre, nobodies heard of you.

 

[seagullmouse]

What's that supposed to prove?

Decarte's ear wax was smarter than you and he was a believer.

The worlds heard of Descatre, nobodies heard of you.

You were mocking my intelligence mr Biggums and I was pointing out that more than likely you have a lower iQ than me. Religious belief doesn't guarantee low iQ, although they correlate strongly, and there will always be exceptions to this rule. From what I have heard you are not an exception.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You were mocking my intelligence mr Biggums and I was pointing out that more than likely you have a lower iQ than me. Religious belief doesn't guarantee low iQ, although they correlate strongly, and there will always be exceptions to this rule. From what I have heard you are not an exception.

The only fact of this thread is unsurprisingly that you have offered absolutely nothing intelligent to this discussion.

Even others who don't believe in a God have said as much.

You throw out weak purile insults and then pat yourself on the back like you've achieved something.

Nobody needs to mock your intelligence because every time you reply you do so in the manner of a childish pratt.

 

[seagullmouse]

The only fact of this thread is unsurprisingly that you have offered absolutely nothing intelligent to this discussion.

Even others who don't believe in a God have said as much.

You throw out weak purile insults and then pat yourself on the back like you've achieved something.

Nobody needs to mock your intelligence because every time you reply you do so in the manner of a childish pratt.

Ha ha, its nothing to be ashamed of having a lower iQ, you'll be fine, its safer you stick with a god.

You can't have a logical argument with someone who doesn't use logic.

I have resorted to mockery in much the same way that you resort to faith, neither are applicable to logical argument but I think mockery is more amusing.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

And it proves the point in one foul swoop.

 

[seagullmouse]

And it proves the point in one foul swoop.

I agree I think you have proven my point, very manly of you to admit it Ty!

 

[xenophon]

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature

 

[NMH]

This is worth a look, if you need intelligent views on the catholic church, and religion.

The Stephen Fry speech was very interesting I found, and the other links found after that are, as well.
Personally I find the arguments against religions, dogma and doctrine, to have much more basis in fact and sense. When looking at individual religions, scrutinizing them and taking in the alternatives - every one of them is eminently fallible and based on fantasy tales and threats.
Thus atheism is highly preferable to acceptance of a religion!

Can an atheist believe in a deity?
In my view of this yes. But not in a presupposed and 'ordained' religious way.
A creator with an overview upon all things?

Well, for me it occurs that religion does God more harm than good by trying to describe what 'He' wants and what 'He' has put in place and for what reason. "Come in this building, join these people and buy this story as truth and fact" is what is basically presented, and for myself, and many on here who refute religious doctrine of God - it's just not on.

But in this way, someone who perceives and accepts the intelligence and grand design, the perfections and imperfections of (that often strengthen) nature will argue the same thing as one who credits this as God's work.

 

[djm21]

My hunch is that people listen to an eloquent, intelligent, an jolly nice chap in stephen fry and take his word, without searching for themselves.

 

[sten_super]

My hunch is that people listen to an eloquent, intelligent, an jolly nice chap in stephen fry and take his word, without searching for themselves.

I think I watched the Stephen Fry piece back when it was originally posted a few months ago. From memory he attacks the behaviour of the Catholic Church - does he say anything about religion in general?

I think you'd have a pretty hard time defending some of the actions of most organised religions, which are governed by rules (either direct commandments or 'moral' stories that we are supposed to adhere to the values of) drawn up well over a thousand years ago. Societal norms have changed somewhat since then, and I find it strange that people still chose to live their lives according to these 'rules', especially those that are most obviously human constructs (spending every Sunday morning in Church is the one that I bought up earlier, but there are others).

 

[teaboy]

My hunch is that people listen to an eloquent, intelligent, an jolly nice chap in stephen fry and take his word, without searching for themselves.

Just like most people who believe in god then.

Do you believe in Thor, Odin, Shive, Ganesh, Apollo and Zeus? If not, why not? Are these 'gods' not valid, and backed up by exactly the same evidence as your god?