Who mentioned religion? Not me.
I suppose that 100 years ago you wouldn't have accepted the possibility of a rocket actually 'flying' people to the moon. This is just one more possibility - it may be true, it may not.
No blinkers here, sir.
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GOD: How much do you believe in him?
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Who mentioned religion? Not me.
I suppose that 100 years ago you wouldn't have accepted the possibility of a rocket actually 'flying' people to the moon. This is just one more possibility - it may be true, it may not.
No blinkers here, sir.
I'm probably too tired to be replying, so I apologise if my phrasing causes offence.
What? Am I just a sheep because I say the sky is blue, just like everyone else? Am I showing a lack of independent thought because I believe the earth goes around the sun? Sometimes lots of people, through independent thought, believe the same thing, it doesn't mean they are sheep.
So, you're saying God exists, and anyone who doesn't believe just haven't looked hard enough. There's a very small man on your hand. He's there, you're just not looking hard enough, or at the right part of your hand.
Tell me, where should I be looking for God?
Atheism means lack of theism, or lack of religion. You can't create something and create the absence of it. Either it was absent and needed creating (in which case atheism was the original state not one created by man) or it exists (and the presence of religion is a natural state) and and you create the absence of it. You can't create both.
Of course it's just words. I sometimes say 'voila' when presenting something, doesn't make me french. I've sung along to 'abracadabra', doesn't make me a wizard.
Firstly, good and bad are not exclusive properties of religion. Any good parent can teach a child good and bad without the need for religion or god. They can get a sense of belonging with any social club.
Secondly, the cheap and easy comment would be that it's harder for an adult to adopt faith when they're older because they've grown past the point of believing fairy tales.
I think children should not be forced to follow a religion, but should be made aware of them and what they claim to offer. I think forcing a child to follow your religion or your atheism is equally a form of indoctrination.
What?!
Have you read the koran cover to cover? If not I hope you haven't rejected Allah. Have you read all the greek myths and legends? The Torah? Have you read all of these cover to cover Religious Texts I seriously doubt you have, so I hope you're not rejecting all those other gods.
I prefer religious people to keep their religion to themselves, and not judge me by their religious standards. But some atheists annoy me, too - those that talk about wanting those that believe to keep there religion to themselves, then are quick to let you know they are an atheist, to challenge people who believe and so on. Those that insult and degrade people just because they believe in something more.
What? Am I just a sheep because I say the sky is blue, just like everyone else? Am I showing a lack of independent thought because I believe the earth goes around the sun? Sometimes lots of people, through independent thought, believe the same thing, it doesn't mean they are sheep.
So, you're saying God exists, and anyone who doesn't believe just haven't looked hard enough. There's a very small man on your hand. He's there, you're just not looking hard enough, or at the right part of your hand.
Tell me, where should I be looking for God?
Atheism means lack of theism, or lack of religion. You can't create something and create the absence of it. Either it was absent and needed creating (in which case atheism was the original state not one created by man) or it exists (and the presence of religion is a natural state) and and you create the absence of it. You can't create both.
Of course it's just words. I sometimes say 'voila' when presenting something, doesn't make me french. I've sung along to 'abracadabra', doesn't make me a wizard.
Firstly, good and bad are not exclusive properties of religion. Any good parent can teach a child good and bad without the need for religion or god. They can get a sense of belonging with any social club.
Secondly, the cheap and easy comment would be that it's harder for an adult to adopt faith when they're older because they've grown past the point of believing fairy tales.
I think children should not be forced to follow a religion, but should be made aware of them and what they claim to offer. I think forcing a child to follow your religion or your atheism is equally a form of indoctrination.
What?!
Have you read the koran cover to cover? If not I hope you haven't rejected Allah. Have you read all the greek myths and legends? The Torah? Have you read all of these cover to cover Religious Texts I seriously doubt you have, so I hope you're not rejecting all those other gods.
I prefer religious people to keep their religion to themselves, and not judge me by their religious standards. But some atheists annoy me, too - those that talk about wanting those that believe to keep there religion to themselves, then are quick to let you know they are an atheist, to challenge people who believe and so on. Those that insult and degrade people just because they believe in something more.
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Mr Burns
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The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
beorhthelm
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this seems to be the arguement from defeat, invoke religious faith. i believe in "him" therefore he exists, so it seems.
GoldWithFalmer
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But what about his bad side?
Tyrone Biggums
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I find it interesting that there's those atheists who love to cry that it's human made yet don't take in the actual implications of that.
The concept of a "god" has been around a long time. Quite posisbly since the inception of homo sapiens, maybe even preceding that.
Now for such a concept of a "god" to just come into the minds of people limited in their concept of the world around them is quite a profound perception.
It very much appears the human brain does carry within it a preprogramed set of instructions to ensure certain things occur to ensure the species continues. Without this we would not know fear or have the desire to protect our offspring.
To simply put such things down as products of "chance" would be no different to someone who puts it down to "a god" hard wiring the brain with these innate instructions.
I just feel nobody can explore the concept of a god until they actually open their mind to navcigate around the bibles interpretation of "a god" in the sky sitting on clouds and be rid of the atheist flat out "i can't see it so it doesn't exist" closed mentality.
Your bodies dies, but does your soul?
Tyrone Biggums
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Did you never read the part "god created man in his own image"?
You will be praying your arse off when you find yourselves 5 nil down when playing us dick head,
Mr Burns
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Tyrone Biggums
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I don't see how that is relevant?
What has asking questions really got to do with anything?
If "a god" does or does not exist has no relevance to anything.
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Indeed, you can believe that the Earth is orbited by a giant teapot called Nigel, it is difficult to prove that it is not the case.
Religion is inconsistent with Darwinism, and given the choice between believing in the records kept in the British Musuem and the Natural History Museum, OR believing the comments of Sarah Palin, I choose the former. It ultimately comes down to evidence, not faith. Faith is a means of avoiding evidence, although when Steve Gritt took over the Albion it was all we had.
Mr Burns
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Err. What is a soul? Other than a word from the bible.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Now we are talking-this is the thing,the single thing,the thing that is in control of everything.
The soul is the controller,millions of babies will be born,with a soul-why on Earth are we here?
Why?
To remember who we are-and experience,good,bad,or indifferent.
this is a thread that could only have come up from a homosexual fearing his going to hell for sinking himself nts deep into Dean...your gay not my problem ...its yours so please be decent and keep it to yourselves after all i dont go round telling eveybody and his dog how red blooded i am ...yyour just strange DNA deficiency maybe "I suck cock" tee hee tee hee f*** OFF IT AINT FUNNY ITS f***ing GROSS SICK ****
Tyrone Biggums
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I try to avoid the whole arguing over the subject, it's a subject where nobody is right or wrong and nobody will win the argument except in their own minds.
The irong is both sides are generaly as closed minded as the other.
Perhaps the agnostics are the ones who'll eventually discover "the truth".
Tyrone Biggums
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Wrong.
It's a concept that exists outside of religious teachings as well.
In fact is a concept that's been present in many native cultures that predated the bible by thousands of years.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
It's what makes you,@MrBurns you-my "put the world to rights" top NSC Bastion & Champion of recent UK riots....:
Burns=never will believe
Gold=will always love Ashley