George Best to piss on Albion parade

[Gwylan]

It amazes me the amount of ignorant people who really havent got a clue about being an alcoholic. Yes its a terrible thing that a liver has been wasted however alcoholism is a disease and a addiction just like the however many millions of people that smoke and cost the NHS just as much money.

I agree with this (apart from the fact that smokers actually contribute more to the economy than they take out). George Best's condition is desperately sad; not just because he was one of the best British footballers ever but because it's a terribly sad way to go - it's certainly not worth making jokes about.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

my dad was an alcoholic and it eventually killed him, he had pancreatitis and had had 5 heart attacks by the time he was 48 the last one killing him as the heart could not take the strain anymore. i would say he had more than enough chances and he didnt take them. even being a single parent and looking after myself and younger sister was enough. the bottle was his only ally and that was it. he was drinking a bottle of port and 4 cans of lager a day by the time he passed away one his own with no one around him.

its a terrible addiction. i do have some sympathy for the donors family however you dont choose what type of person or who gets your organs.

I am sorry to hear that - but doesnt that make you angry that Best has wasted his second chance?

 

[caz99]

I am sorry to hear that - but doesnt that make you angry that Best has wasted his second chance?

not particularly i just feel sad that someone has to die like that. its a disease that people dont understand and are too judgemental about. my dad had plenty of chances and didnt take them.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

not particularly i just feel sad that someone has to die like that. its a disease that people dont understand and are too judgemental about. my dad had plenty of chances and didnt take them.

People get judgemental when they're ignorant. I'm one of them. There's just something about GB that makes me especially mad.

Sorry if I offended you, Caz.

 

[caz99]

People get judgemental when they're ignorant. I'm one of them. There's just something about GB that makes me especially mad.

Sorry if I offended you, Caz.

dont be silly no one offended me i just like to put my opinion across like everyone esle after all its a messageboard!

 

[DJ Leon]

I really don't see alcoholism as a disease. Is heroin addiction a disease? Is smoking a disease? Can I catch any of them? Or do I wilfully have to go out and get them, 'catching' them depending on my commitment to self destruction?

I'm sad about George, but other people die everyday through no fault of their own - people that want to seize the opportunities that life offers them not waste them away.

 

[caz99]

I'm sad about George, but other people die everyday through no fault of their own - people that want to seize the opportunities that life offers them not waste them away.

Thats the point I am trying to make. Are you saying people who die from smoking illnesses do so through no fault of their own?

Alcoholism is a serious addition, when you down and depressed and you hit the bottle its an instant cure and when it gets bad the only thing you think about is your next drink.

 

[clapham_gull]

Alcoholism is DEFINATELY a disease and there may well be a genetic component that makes certain people more likely to become serious addicted to a drug like heroin (or nicotine)

His mother was a chronic alcoholic too, but hid it from her family. George didn't find out until he was already into the drink.

Quite a bit of ignorance on here today... I'm not so sure about George Best being labelled as a "wife beater" either, he definately seems to get in a few fights with his woman but always seems to come out much worse of !

 

[DJ Leon]

Thats the point I am trying to make. Are you saying people who die from smoking illnesses do so through no fault of their own?

Alcoholism is a serious addition, when you down and depressed and you hit the bottle its an instant cure and when it gets bad the only thing you think about is your next drink.

No, I'm specifically tarring (geddit?) smokers with the same brush. And drug addicts. And people that do dangerous extreme sports - If you like jumping off a mountain with only a parachute to prevent a messy death, don't expect my sympathy when it goes wrong.

 

[BHA Nutty Boy]

bet you. Can see it now, the Falmer decision is made, George Best snuffs it, and the most momentous decision in footballing history is buried by the death of a self-destructive, wife-beating idiot

Who cares, its all about us anyway, we are the ones that are waiting for the news on Falmer and we are the ones that will celebrate it! Just bring it on, I for one will keep looking for the news on Falmer and let the rest of the world worry about George Best

Come on Prescott give us the YES that were waiting for!!

 

[tedebear]

Strange that someone who contributed so much to one of the sports that everyone on here loves, can get so much venom... I feel sorry for the guy - alcoholism is usually a very self debilatating disease... you drink to get courage to face your demons and in doing so kill yourself....and he was constantly in the public spotlight being criticised - no wonder he couldn't stop...

 

[Man of Harveys]

It'll be a sad loss - the passing of one of the finest players ever to grace a football pitch is unequestionably a sad event and he'll be widely mourned.

But...the problem with Best has been that he has been entirely dismissive of any kind of guidance or advice for virtually all his life -Matt Busby and Bobby Charlton? Boring old sanctimonious farts, telling him how to behave. Doctors? Ah, what do they know...as long as there's a Miss World around and some vodka left for the cornflakes in the morning, he'll be ok.

That attitude made have made him the genius he was but it killed off his career too early and now it's probably done the same to him. Daft. Look forward to seeing all the old clips again though.

 

[DJ Leon]

Alcoholism is DEFINATELY a disease and there may well be a genetic component that makes certain people more likely to become serious addicted to a drug like heroin (or nicotine)

His mother was a chronic alcoholic too, but hid it from her family. George didn't find out until he was already into the drink.

Quite a bit of ignorance on here today... I'm not so sure about George Best being labelled as a "wife beater" either, he definately seems to get in a few fights with his woman but always seems to come out much worse of !

There is a genetic element to this, but it's not anything to do with alchohol, it has to do with character and a pre-disposition to self-destruction.


Sorry, I can't buy it as a disease.

 

[caz99]

There is a genetic element to this, but it's not anything to do with alchohol, it has to do with character and a pre-disposition to self-destruction.


Sorry, I can't buy it as a disease.

maybe when you have had first hand experience of it you may change your mind. i have also lost someone very close without warning and no explanation so i know what the other side of the coin is like.

i didnt catch the 'destructive' 'self pity' aspect from my dad it just put me off alcohol completely for a long time. i can take it or leave it.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Well it would make a change from George Best pissing himself.

 

[Goodfella]

I have to say i agree with Caz, Alcoholism is a disease and unless you have been one, or been closely associated with someone who has, then it's difficult to understand, yes he had a second chance, and yes, he f***ed up, but let's not forget he is still regarded by many (including myself) as one of the best football players ever.

I personally wish him no malice.

Now bring on Falmer.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Something like 95% of liver transplants for alcoholics never touch a drop again so Best decided to kill himself due to boredom more than anything else as far as I can see.

We would not have got any national tv coverage anyway without Besties problems.

Also Gascoigne if taking over Tamworth or someone today as well.

 

[DJ Leon]

I have to say i agree with Caz, Alcoholism is a disease and unless you have been one, or been closely associated with someone who has, then it's difficult to understand

Sorry, I don't agree. I have known many alcoholics over the years, but that doesn't affect my ability to comment either way.

If you believe that alcoholism is a disease then you HAVE to believe that heroin addiciton is a disease and cocaine addiction is a disease. I don't.

It's more about your genetic make-up as a person. It has nothing to do with alcohol itself. Also, what about environment, would George have been an alcoholic if he wasn't a footballer? Would Kate Moss have a cocaine problem if she wasn't rich, a model, going out with Pete Doherty? Maybe, but maybe not.

I'm not lacking sympathy for people who are addicts, just saying that there is a large enough amount of free will involved that they ahve to take repsonsibility for their actions. If they don't anyone can be an addict, anyone can have a disease.

 

[Northstander]

f*** that waster twat, just give me the yes Mr P!!!!

 

[caz99]

Sorry, I don't agree. I have known many alcoholics over the years, but that doesn't affect my ability to comment either way.

If you believe that alcoholism is a disease then you HAVE to believe that heroin addiciton is a disease and cocaine addiction is a disease. I don't.

It's more about your genetic make-up as a person. It has nothing to do with alcohol itself. Also, what about environment, would George have been an alcoholic if he wasn't a footballer? Would Kate Moss have a cocaine problem if she wasn't rich, a model, going out with Pete Doherty? Maybe, but maybe not.

I'm not lacking sympathy for people who are addicts, just saying that there is a large enough amount of free will involved that they ahve to take repsonsibility for their actions. If they don't anyone can be an addict, anyone can have a disease.

heroin addiction is a disease. i have some sympathy with drug addicts as they are in a similar position especially with herion. of course they have to take responsibility for their actions but when your blind drunk and are not interested in anyone but yourself. its a selfish addition just like drug addiction. your only interestedin sorting your self out. finding your next fix, drink.

of course anyone can be an addict. there is no specific type of person who becomes addicted to heroin or coke.