game off in youth football

[BigGully]

Finally to get the right conditions for our kids to advance their technical ability etc we really need to look at whether we play junior football in the winter or in the summer when the pitches are in a better condition.

Great work by the way .....

If as you suggest a major player is the state of the pitches ( the climate ) why would you think that other European nations with a similar rainfall patterns and temps. have been considered better technical players than British players for at least a generation.

I do have some experience of Holland and Germany and their own facilities are not obviously superior than our own in terms of their youth football, but each Nation has an unstinting view on how they encourage and prefer their youngsters to play football and this lends itself to producing technical players.

 

[empire]

yep! When we had an away game up in brixton/wandsworth it could be gutty,if training twice in the week around 200 miles

i know how you feel,my lad was at sidlesham youth last year,3 times a week from lancing,bloody traffic was a nitemere

,but the level 3 coaching made the trips worthwhile

 

[Return of the Rev]

1 What about sept/oct/nov play each team once then break for dec. 2 indoor futsal jan feb. 3 Then another back out for march april may play each team once,you would get three competions each season and build up technical ability at the same time. INDOOR GAMES COULD BE PLAYED AGAINST TEAMS NOT IN YOUR LEAGUE,CUP COMPETION COULD RUN WITH A THREE MONTH BREAK.

 

[Return of the Rev]

i know how you feel,my lad was at sidlesham youth last year,3 times a week from lancing,bloody traffic was a nitemere

,but the level 3 coaching made the trips worthwhile

if i could find a similar level of input nearer but coaching standards not all that i'm afraid

 

[empire]

I know southdown offer level 3 at under 14s,based in burgess hill

 

[Brovion]

I'm chairman of Sedlescombe Sports assoc and look after our pitches myself. Having spent a lot of time and money maintaining them they are still unplayable after the rain. We are looking into renewing the drainage and may get a grant but the overall cost is in the region of £35 000. That's for one main pitch a new 3/4 size and three small pitches. Now if you multiply that up to the amount of pitches local authorities maintain that is one hell of a lot of money. I do however believe its time for the FA to start really helping out financially. By that not their grants they offer at the moment which have ridiculous restriction and expectations. We asked for help to build a new sports pavilion, they said they would help but only if we built a structure they sanctioned, this ended up three times the size needed added to which would have impacted on the pitches and was thrown out by the council. We put forwards the plans we wanted and the FA stopped their grant.

Finally to get the right conditions for our kids to advance their technical ability etc we really need to look at whether we play junior football in the winter or in the summer when the pitches are in a better condition.

Is it worth making an application to the REMF for some funds?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Great work by the way .....

If as you suggest a major player is the state of the pitches ( the climate ) why would you think that other European nations with a similar rainfall patterns and temps. have been considered better technical players than British players for at least a generation.

I do have some experience of Holland and Germany and their own facilities are not obviously superior than our own in terms of their youth football, but each Nation has an unstinting view on how they encourage and prefer their youngsters to play football and this lends itself to producing technical players.

firstly without doubt there's a lack of coaches and I'm not talking basic level 1 but higher. Secondly take Sedlescombe for instance the football clubs' chairman (note I'm the sports assoc. chair) is a Chelsea plastic. He tied up with Chelsea youth and they have taken a number of our kids up their to represent them. This is the problem they insist once the kid's signed for them he can no longer play locally added to which his parents are expected to take him upto London training twice a week. Here I'm talking about a 10 year old. Thats a lot of pressure but also raises expectation. Now we've had at least 2 instances when Chelsea have released the kids after a few years without so much as a thank you and left them broken hearted. On both occasion the lads have been so disappointed they have given up playing all together, very sad. Personally I have major misgivings over all of this and would prefer clubs like Brighton set up regular training sessions on on a local basis.

Going onto your observation of Holland Germany and alike their facilities on a local level are better than ours. Purpose built sports fields which may look similar to ours but for one are normally flat with proper drainage and the correct size for age group. We have an u12 coach who insists on using the main pitch for his games, bloody stupid. Here's a little 4foot 5 kiddy playing in goal trying to stop the ball going in a full size goal. I have even attempted to get the local FA to insist to him use a smaller pitch but they won't.

The other thing of note is that most pitches in Europe are maintain by their local governing bodies and do not then charge silly money to the clubs but indeed support them.

Finally for a number of years Chelsea have run their coaching schools during school holidays at Sedlescombe and for what its worth I believe they have been truly awful with a few youth teamers coming down attempting to run a coaching school. Many might have indeed taken their badges but if that's what the FA are teaching them shame on T Brooking

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Is it worth making an application to the REMF for some funds?

In truth as a club we are quite well off (not to pay out £35 000 mind) as we currently have over 240 members (not bad for a village) ranging from u7 to u18 and 2 main adult teams. Its more the fact that money is available but there's an agenda which doesn't fit the local issues and because its a centralised fund there's no give which is a shame.

 

[Beach Hut]

Anyway, Minis game now called off

 

[BigGully]

My view is slightly different to yours, but I do share some of your sentiments.

Firstly access to high class facilities although helpful really isnt the issue for me, quite the contrary actually.

One of the reasons football is such a global success story is because you actually do not need to access 'facilities' you can play it anywhere, again todays most skilful players grew up without access to any facilities.

My view is that our youngsters do not access the game of football in its many guises hardly enough, be it on the street, in the park, at school, in the youth club and away from qualified coaches and well meaning adults.

We all know the many reasons why the hours any youngster has with the football has diminished and this has a greater impact than having funded drainage systems at our local clubs.

The professional clubs signing youngsters is an extremely difficult one and something that irks many, especially those that have been rejected by the system or those that have not been asked into the system in the first place.

I think some sort of payment maybe in kind to the club of any youngster signed would be reasonable, maybe allocating a coach for the season, offering equipment etc, this might also focus the clubs scouts to only recommend and sign youngsters that have a realistic chance of progressing within the system.

Although I cant help thinking there would be some problems with the usual suspect Sunday League clubs that poach all the best players receiving their booty from any professional club before that players previous club receiving anything, so it might just move the problem of signing and compensation a little further down the ladder, but the clubs do deserve support from professional clubs if signing one of their players.

Your point referring to one of your coaches that insists on playing under 12's on an oversize pitch is one of the reasons professional clubs do feel compelled to take any talented youngster away from the Sunday League environment, it is uneasy reading but the conduct of some local mangers and coaches do seem to back this view by the pro clubs.

Again Soccer Schools are just that, an opportunity for youngsters to play unhindered and without a selection criteria and away from well meaning over qualified and under experienced adults, not such a bad thing at times.

Again Holland and Germany offer a 'mindset' and a 'preferred' playing style that is in many ways opposed to our own and that is why they produce generally a different 'type' of player than we currently do, whatever they grade of facility.

 

[JordanBurstow12]

What about in hastings? any games called off that way?

 

[Return of the Rev]

I know southdown offer level 3 at under 14s,based in burgess hill

mr pummel is at southdown arch enemy of three bridges Could have been an option but three bridges set up and training very good at the moment

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

What about in hastings? any games called off that way?

I have been told all council pitches off but can not fully confirm this sorry

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Good points BigGully but the playing on oversize pitches is a real problem. This is usually because of 2 main issues. Firstly lack of facilities, secondly I find a lot of parents turned coaches quite often aren't football minded people, if I can put it that way. A lot are well meaning but themselves have not ever before been involved with playing or coaching football. They go off and do their level 1 but still appear very green in their approach. This is contrary to say a talent from Africa who perhaps has had very little coaching if any but shows real raw talent. In this country that sort of talent is "subjected" to bad ideology which can damage their progression. I've attempted to put my thoughts over maybe not concisely but i hope you get my drift. Bad coaching does more damage than none at all.

 

[thedonkeycentrehalf]

The problem with the Level 1 is that being totally honest, anyone can (and does) pass it but this can be misleading as to coaching standards. I was lucky as my grounding in coaching was from volunteering with Albion Saturday Soccer Schools and I was given great advice by some well qualified and experienced coaches. I'm also a member of the Sussex County FA Coaches Association and their workshops are a great way of learning new skills and sharing skills with others.

As for pitches, I'm now linked to Worthing Town and we have managed to get grant funding from the football foundation, local council and other organisations (together with our own fund raising) to take over a rundown local park and develop this as a football centre. As part of this we are creating pitches of different (proper) sizes across mini-soccer and also for the junior soccer age groups to help the development of the kids. We are getting new drainage installed in the park which helps the residents as the pitches flood into their gardens at the moment. We are also getting the pitches relaid and maintained to a different standard to make sure that they last through a season. We will have to pay a much higher fee to rent and maintain the pitches.

However, as said earlier, this doesn't come cheap. We are able to do this as part of a £1m+ project but this is only one of many parks in the local area. It's taken us five years to get to this stage and we only got the support from the football foundation because we were the first Charter Standard Community Club in the area. With the cuts in funding, we are very lucky to get this agreed - if we had been a few months later then we'd have probably had to abandon the project.

 

[BigGully]

Good points BigGully but the playing on oversize pitches is a real problem. This is usually because of 2 main issues. Firstly lack of facilities, secondly I find a lot of parents turned coaches quite often aren't football minded people, if I can put it that way. A lot are well meaning but themselves have not ever before been involved with playing or coaching football. They go off and do their level 1 but still appear very green in their approach. This is contrary to say a talent from Africa who perhaps has had very little coaching if any but shows real raw talent. In this country that sort of talent is "subjected" to bad ideology which can damage their progression. I've attempted to put my thoughts over maybe not concisely but i hope you get my drift. Bad coaching does more damage than none at all.

Level 1 qualification is helpful in as much as you have an understanding of first aid and it may prompt you to plan and deliver a constructed training session to youngsters, so it is in that sense helpful.

However of all my years in football I have never seen a qualification of any level actually change an adults overall belief of how football should be played after they have obtained that qualification.

More worryingly they then use their new found legitimacy to offer their sometimes flawed views even more vigorously than before !!

 

[Lurker]

have an u14 semi final in crawley for smallest rev lets hope its on

You've already reached the semi-final stage?
Wow.
My boy's team are due to play their FIRST ROUND fixture next Saturday. 4th time it's been re-arranged.
God knows how the league are going to get both the league & cup competitions completed this season.

 

[Lurker]

yep! When we had an away game up in brixton/wandsworth it could be gutty,if training twice in the week around 200 miles

My boy also plays at u14 level ... in the Midland Junior Premier League?
Our first away game this season was a round trip of over 250 miles!
We've actually got 3 teams in our league involving round trips of over 200 miles?
Kick offs are usually 10.30am ... the Manager wants the lads in the changing rooms 1 hour before kick off ... so those longer trips usually mean kicking the boy out of bed by 6.30am in order to leave the house between 7.00am - 7.30am!
All for a game of footy.......

My wife refuses to come and watch!

 

[empire]

mr pummel is at southdown arch enemy of three bridges Could have been an option but three bridges set up and training very good at the moment

fair dos,dave has started coaching at whitehawk with the -18s,but thats the chelsea conection again,as paul dolner is 1st team coach and he runs the southern chelsea acedemys.Southdown is a club has a great rep in development,but their parents have a terrible rep(my sons been tempted a few times but last min decided against),they asked him to play in a match at the madjeski xmas,but we couldnt make it,good job as it all kicked off up there,with the parents fighting each other!!!!Not the sort of stuff i would want my son to see,and thats the problem,as the boys take second stage of their parents,which is a great shame,as dave is a well respected coach

 

[empire]

The problem with the Level 1 is that being totally honest, anyone can (and does) pass it but this can be misleading as to coaching standards. I was lucky as my grounding in coaching was from volunteering with Albion Saturday Soccer Schools and I was given great advice by some well qualified and experienced coaches. I'm also a member of the Sussex County FA Coaches Association and their workshops are a great way of learning new skills and sharing skills with others.

As for pitches, I'm now linked to Worthing Town and we have managed to get grant funding from the football foundation, local council and other organisations (together with our own fund raising) to take over a rundown local park and develop this as a football centre. As part of this we are creating pitches of different (proper) sizes across mini-soccer and also for the junior soccer age groups to help the development of the kids. We are getting new drainage installed in the park which helps the residents as the pitches flood into their gardens at the moment. We are also getting the pitches relaid and maintained to a different standard to make sure that they last through a season. We will have to pay a much higher fee to rent and maintain the pitches.

However, as said earlier, this doesn't come cheap. We are able to do this as part of a £1m+ project but this is only one of many parks in the local area. It's taken us five years to get to this stage and we only got the support from the football foundation because we were the first Charter Standard Community Club in the area. With the cuts in funding, we are very lucky to get this agreed - if we had been a few months later then we'd have probably had to abandon the project.

great news about palentine park,shame its still not enough