[Football] Foul throws

[trueblue]

Well both feet must still be on the floor, but the trajectory of the ball always had to be "looped" IIRC.
Nowadays players can just hurl it down onto the turf. I always thought that was a foul throw back in the day, but it never seems to be picked upon these days.

We played someone this season with a player who took long throws from one foot repeatedly and they didn’t even bother to stop that. Can’t remember which team. The two feet thing is important as it’s more difficult to achieve the same distance than when you’re effectively running.

 

[darkwolf666]

And this is the problem with today's refs at the top level. Enforce the laws and the players will then adhere to them. Let them ride and the players get away with it. Book them when they pull shirts, book them when they don't retreat 10yrds, call up foul throws and learn to count to 6 when the keeper has the ball. And call up obstruction. Forest were masters at it yesterday.

The problem is that cheating, or game management, or whatever you want to call it is ignored by those in power.

Actually, scrub that, it isn't ignored, it is encouraged and the laws amended/bent to fit the cheats narrative.

Examples - keeper catches the ball and miraculously not getting his balance until he reaches the edge of the area (thinking Peter Schmeichel here) - law changed so they can do what they want.
Players cheat and can't be bothered to put the ball in the "d" for a corner properly - law changed so only a gnats cock has to be inline with the "d".
Penalties - the Laws used to state that players weren't allowed to stutter their run or feint to make the keeper move early - the cheats have seen to that one too!
Throw in - the Laws used to state where the ball should be released from and that it shouldn't be "dropped", but now simply says "taken from behind and over the head". There has been no change to the feet position, part of both feet should be on the ground, on or behind the line - but cheats have done away with that one again, or crap refs, you decide.
Obstruction - as someone else has mentioned this is largely ignored too. The most common example is the "shielding" the ball out of play for a goal kick, whereby the defender IS allowed to position his body between the ball and opponent, when the ball is within playing distance. However, they are NOT allowed to use their arms or body to stop the opponent making a challenge - this Law is ignored time and time again, with defenders clearly moving their arms out and away from their body to prevent the opponent reaching the ball, or sticking their arse out, bending forward over the ball, to create even more distance and also make it easier for them to hit the ground like they have been shot when challenged.
The goalkeeper 6 second Law still applies, but it is rarely if NEVER applied anymore.


Cheats do prosper and are allowed and indeed encouraged to do so by coaches and official law changes - and yes, we have players that do all of the above!

 

[dejavuatbtn]

There is so much cheating in a game that refs can’t keep up with it or are just lazy or not bothered - goalies catching the ball and falling down on it to waste time, throw ins, 10 yard rule, shirt pulling, blocking, - the whole thing is to try and get away with as much as possible resulting in official acceptance of it all. Cheats prosper in professional football at all levels of the game from players to administrators. A terrible example of teaching our kids right from wrong. It ain’t going to change. It is what it is. I don’t like it.

 

[darkwolf666]

There is so much cheating in a game that refs can’t keep up with it or are just lazy or not bothered - goalies catching the ball and falling down on it to waste time, throw ins, 10 yard rule, shirt pulling, blocking, - the whole thing is to try and get away with as much as possible resulting in official acceptance of it all. Cheats prosper in professional football at all levels of the game from players to administrators. A terrible example of teaching our kids right from wrong. It ain’t going to change. It is what it is. I don’t like it.

About sums up my feelings too!

 

[Han Solo]

Agree completely.

Or has the standard of refereeing deteriorated to such an extent they don’t know the rules?

(Or are too afraid to implement)

They don't want to ruin games for the millions of people watching so they aren't petty about a defensive free kick taken a few meters out of position or throw-ins not being taken 100% correctly or from the exact same decimeter where the ball went out. Could trial being petty about it for a while and then make a survey among viewers and players if they think it improves the game.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Nothing wrong with any of the throws really.

The trajectory of the ball has nothing to do with it.

At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower must:

• stand facing the field of play
• have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
• throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play

A lot of people don’t realise you can throw the ball straight down into the ground if you wanted to.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

They don't want to ruin games for the millions of people watching so they aren't petty about a defensive free kick taken a few meters out of position or throw-ins not being taken 100% correctly or from the exact same decimeter where the ball went out. Could trial being petty about it for a while and then make a survey among viewers and players if they think it improves the game.

….and that’s the rub. It used to be that the players learned the new rules and followed them once they knew they wouldn’t get away with it. Nowadays they dictate the rules by non compliance.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Nothing wrong with any of the throws really.

The trajectory of the ball has nothing to do with it.

At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower must:

• stand facing the field of play
• have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
• throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play

A lot of people don’t realise you can throw the ball straight down into the ground if you wanted to.

Not sure it is possible to throw the ball straight down whilst “throwing the ball from behind and over the head”. Nothing wrong with throwing it up in the air to fall a metre away though.

 

[darkwolf666]

Nothing wrong with any of the throws really.

The trajectory of the ball has nothing to do with it.

At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower must:

• stand facing the field of play
• have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
• throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play

A lot of people don’t realise you can throw the ball straight down into the ground if you wanted to.

That's sort of the point, you didn't used to allowed to do that. However because of lack of application of the laws of the game, players have pretty much done what they like, and the Laws been rewritten to suit, as per my earlier post re not putting the ball in the "d" for a corner!

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Not sure it is possible to throw the ball straight down whilst “throwing the ball from behind and over the head”. Nothing wrong with throwing it up in the air to fall a metre away though.

That’s what I thought. To throw it straight down you would need to release the ball very late and I’ve Seen that called out as a foul throw more so than having a foot in the air which just seems to get missed.

To be honest though, I just want the ball back in play ASAP rather than have all the fannying around as we do now.

 

[Swimboy64]

I can answer this.

The FA are all about “the flow of the game”, it’s drilled into you non-stop when you do ref training. You need to know the rules in order to choose how to enforce them, obviously, but assessors aren’t looking for you to be giving foul throws unless they’re particularly egregious or lead to an attacking advantage. In fact, you can get marked down on game management for giving them.

I see what I consider egregious foul throws in every single game I watch, and it’s simply laziness because players know they are so rarely pulled up by the referee.

They are not rules
Those who talk about rules in association football really don’t know what they are talking about at all and cannot be taken seriously

 

[Bodian]

Nothing wrong with any of the throws really.

The trajectory of the ball has nothing to do with it.

At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower must:

• stand facing the field of play
• have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
• throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play

A lot of people don’t realise you can throw the ball straight down into the ground if you wanted to.

Not sure it is possible to throw the ball straight down whilst “throwing the ball from behind and over the head”. Nothing wrong with throwing it up in the air to fall a metre away though.

That’s what I thought. To throw it straight down you would need to release the ball very late and I’ve Seen that called out as a foul throw more so than having a foot in the air which just seems to get missed.

To be honest though, I just want the ball back in play ASAP rather than have all the fannying around as we do now.

Yes - I thought it was written as 'from behind and over the head' to specifically mean 'not in front of the face/head' - which is what you have to do to get it to go straight down onto the ground.

 

[drew]

They are not rules
Those who talk about rules in association football really don’t know what they are talking about at all and cannot be taken seriously

Grow up, we all know what we are talking about!

 

[darkwolf666]

Yes - I thought it was written as 'from behind and over the head' to specifically mean 'not in front of the face/head' - which is what you have to do to get it to go straight down onto the ground.

When I trained to be a referee, firstly in 1976 then again in 1998, the course had handy graphics to show exactly what you speak of as being a foul throw.

I can find no such graphics online now and the wording of the Law is such that it is unclear and consequently taken advantage of...

 

[jcdenton08]

They are not rules
Those who talk about rules in association football really don’t know what they are talking about at all and cannot be taken seriously

Bit pretentious. If I’m talking colloquially on an internet forum or with mates I don’t reference the “Laws of the Game”. What about those who don’t capitalise Association Football?

 

[maresfield seagull]

But then fans start having a go at the ref about disrupting and not letting the game flow.

But the players are trying to break up the flow with their antics anyway
Tactical fouls ,Obstruction, Falling over as though shot by a sniper at the merest contact

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

We’re probably as bad, if not worse, than any other team. Veltman’s throws are awful.

Who cares. Get the ball back in play. Very little advantage gained from lifting a foot or whatever.

I agree broadly with this. As I said in my earlier post, I want the ball back in play ASAP.

Where I do think foul throws need to be called out is when the throw is in a very attacking position and the thrower is looking to get as much distance as possible ... launching the ball into the 6 yard box for example where throw ins can be more dangerous than corners.

 

[Swimboy64]

Oh sorry

 

[Swimboy64]

Bit pretentious. If I’m talking colloquially on an internet forum or with mates I don’t reference the “Laws of the Game”. What about those who don’t capitalise Association

Not meaning to be pretentious at all so sorry if I came across that way.
When I qualified in the late 70s the facilitator insisted we only ever referred to them as Laws which has had a lasting effect on me