[Travel] FlyBe in trouble? (BBC report)

[CHAPPERS]

Caroline Lucas on Twitter is desperate to see this airline collapse and 2,000 plus people lose their jobs.
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Odd take.

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[stewart12]

Yes. She flies to New York regularly in first class to see her son.

how dare she

 

[nicko31]

Yes. She flies to New York regularly in first class to see her son.

Where is your evidence?

 

[Bozza]

Where is your evidence?

She said it herself on Andrew Marr one Sunday morning.

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(I'm not piling here on Lucas here - I just opened this thread at this point and could answer your question)

 

[nicko31]

She said it herself on Andrew Marr one Sunday morning.

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(I'm not piling here on Lucas here - I just opened this thread at this point and could answer your question)

She said "she flies ocassionally to the US", not regularly by first class.

I know since 13th Dec we're in a post truth, post shame world. But NSC should do better, lets call out the lies not try and inflate them with half truths?

 

[beorhthelm]

First test for Boris's commitment on reducing carbon emissions...

Government floating the idea of bailing out Flybe in waiving UK air passenger duty going forward.

If they do this they need to up general APD on International flights to compensate for the loss.

Either that or let em go bust...

stark choice will face governments in coming years, jobs or environment.

 

[nicko31]

stark choice will face governments in coming years, jobs or environment.

That's the choice for every nation on earth, hard choices now or pay a heavy price latter.

 

[Bozza]

She said "she flies ocassionally to the US", not regularly by first class.

I know since 13th Dec we're in a post truth, post shame world. But NSC should do better, lets call out the lies not try and inflate them with half truths?

That's a bit OTT.

I'd missed the "first class" bit. I was merely highlighting she'd said she flies to the US. You can argue the toss on what "regularly" means, but choose someone else to do it with, please. As I say - I just opened the thread and (tried to) respond to a question.

I'm neither anti-Lucas nor anti-flying.

As Marr said in that snippet - we all have to make choices, and I'm not going to berate anyone for visiting a loved one where air is the only viable means of transport.

 

[nicko31]

That's a bit OTT.

I'd missed the "first class" bit. I was merely highlighting she'd said she flies to the US. You can argue the toss on what "regularly" means, but choose someone else to do it with, please. As I say - I just opened the thread and (tried to) respond to a question.

I'm neither anti-Lucas nor anti-flying.

As Marr said in that snippet - we all have to make choices, and I'm not going to berate anyone for visiting a loved one where air is the only viable means of transport.

Even if we argue the toss about what regular is, the accusation that Lucas flies "first class" is completely false

Emissions from 1st class are 6 times that of economy, there is no way Lucas would do that.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Good. I live in the flight path to Southend Airport (laughingly billed asLondon Southend international) and ****ing Flybe are by far the noisiest buggers passing within yards of my chimney. I have been known to stand in my back garden shouting “I hope you bloody well crash” at them. It seems to have worked...at least at financial level.

 

[beorhthelm]

Even if we argue the toss about what regular is, the accusation that Lucas flies "first class" is completely false

Emissions from 1st class are 6 times that of economy, there is no way Lucas would do that.

where on earth does that come from? the plane consumes x amount and that is distributed among the passengers, regardless of travel class.

 

[Bozza]

where on earth does that come from? the plane consumes x amount and that is distributed among the passengers, regardless of travel class.

I suspect the maths is that a first class seat takes up approximately six times the space of an economy seat, ie six people could in theory fly in the place of one first class passenger.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

where on earth does that come from? the plane consumes x amount and that is distributed among the passengers, regardless of travel class.

First class people have more facilities and space and therefore more weight.

 

[beorhthelm]

I suspect the maths is that a first class seat takes up approximately six times the space of an economy seat, ie six people could in theory fly in the place of one first class passenger.

seems such a contrivance is the case.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Yes. She flies to New York regularly in first class to see her son.

Well how else is she supposed to get to New York, swim?, flying across the pond really is the only practial option, and if she has the funds and wishes to travel First Class, that's up her to her.

FlyBe on the other hand operates mainly domestically, and l'm sure that in many instances there are alternative ways to travel, train etc.

 

[nicko31]

seems such a contrivance is the case.

Not at all, if business and first class travel was taxed out of existence we could significantly reduced the emissions from long haul aviation. We'd need fewer flights to get people around.

Private jets are the worst of all, for the really selfish people...

 

[schmunk]

Well how else is she supposed to get to New York, swim?, flying across the pond really is the only practial option, and if she has the funds and wishes to travel First Class, that's up her to her.

FlyBe on the other hand operates mainly domestically, and l'm sure that in many instances there are alternative ways to travel, train etc.

 

[Bozza]

Not at all, if business and first class travel was taxed out of existence we could significantly reduced the emissions from long haul aviation. We'd need fewer flights to get people around.

Taxes are already pretty high on premium class seats.

Airline pricing is bonkers. Look at these BA direct Heathrow -> San Francisco return flights I was looking at for the upcoming Feb half-term...

 

[beorhthelm]

Not at all, if business and first class travel was taxed out of existence we could significantly reduced the emissions from long haul aviation. We'd need fewer flights to get people around.

Private jets are for the really selfish people...

you are assuming that all flights are at 100% capacity and overlooking that high fares on business and first class cross-subsidise air travel. they are built into the cost and capacity models. following the logic of 6x emissions for a first class, a 50% full flight is using twice the emissions, so everyone should pay twice the tax. except the lower weight means less emissions, so is that better? all the head line aggregate sums based on passenger per mile go out the window. we could have some fun and apply to rail too and find first class is say 4x more, now make comparison between first class rail and flying.

 

[CHAPPERS]

https://co2.myclimate.org/en/flight_calculators/new

Economy Heathrow - JFK 1.8t
First class Heathrow - JFK 5.3t