[News] “Fare dodgers. Bike thieves. Shoplifters. Weird Turkish barber shops…. It’s all chipping away at society”

[Greg Bobkin]

I realise the man is a bad messenger and a hypocrite.

Perhaps a bad example to use.

I was hoping to spark a wider debate on criminality.

I realise I may have been a tad silly.

Apologies all.

Is it really THAT much worse than it was back in the 'good old days'? Or do we just know more about it because of social media coverage, technology (cameras and videos on every phone) and 'more people*, more problems'?

*I'm talking about general population increase, not an immigration thing.

 

[The Clamp]

Hmm. On reflection I think I’ve fallen for some propaganda here.

Bad Clamp.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Apologies, it was asking me to accept adverts. If this means seeing them on the pages that's fine but it could mean the usual tsunami of whatever they are called that stay on your computer so I'm out. Fed up with being told about single women in the Faversham area.

You like more of a challenge H?

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

Not exactly a glowing record in regards to the law

"Addressing the camera during the minute-long clip, Jenrick – who in 2020 accepted that his approval of Richard Desmond’s building project had been unlawful – said it was “so annoying watching so many people break the law and get away with it”. He added that the state needed to “reassert itself and go after lawbreakers”.

So maybe he should have started with a few of the ex Tory cabinet first?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Thanks.

Apart from the weird comment about Khan, he's right.
So let's have an MP with a camera crew stalking every tube station.
It would cost nothing.

(the bumptious twat).

 

[Wozza]

Is it really THAT much worse than it was back in the 'good old days'? Or do we just know more about it because of social media coverage, technology (cameras and videos on every phone) and 'more people*, more problems'?

*I'm talking about general population increase, not an immigration thing.

 

[Bozza]

I realise the man is a bad messenger and a hypocrite.

Perhaps a bad example to use.

I was hoping to spark a wider debate on criminality.

I realise I may have been a tad silly.

Apologies all.

As above, I was going to start a thread on this earlier.

Jenrick going after fare dodgers was covered on today's News Agents podcast. They'd said it "had gone viral", but I'd neither seen nor heard it, so hunted it down.

The only reason I didn't share it, was because of the way he was using it as a weapon to go after Sadiq Khan as if he's personally on revenue protection in tube stations.

Also the Turkish barber shop thing did feel a little bit racisty.

 

[severnside gull]

I was going to start this thread earlier with the title "f*** off Robert Jenrick", because in the video someone tells him to f*** off.

Delighted someone had more sense than Jenrick (although not a high bar).
On the subject of single women in Faversham…… don’t worry, they won’t be there for long.
On a recent trip to Brighton I noticed that many of the ladies “offered to me” through internet browsing in Somerset, seemed to have moved to Sussex. Even more remarkably, I was in Birmingham this week and the same women had followed me there!

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I'm not sure how that answers the question. There was clearly loads of petty crime (including not paying for stuff) back in the day. And worse, when you think of gangs, the underworld and a load of wrong'uns. People probably only knew a fraction of the bad shit that went on. That tweet just shows some statistics from now.

 

[Jim in the West]

Surely that must be a spoof??!

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

How can he be so sure so many people are fare dodging? I go to London 2/3 times a month and still buy a paper travel card as I can’t be bothered to get my phone out to tap in/out each time. A lot of stations , especially on the DLR, have no barriers but tap in/out points only, so I just walk through.

 

[pigmanovich]

Thanks.

Apart from the weird comment about Khan, he's right.
So let's have an MP with a camera crew stalking every tube station.
It would cost nothing.

(the bumptious twat).

What’s another side gig for one’s MP after all

 

[Commander]

I realise the man is a bad messenger and a hypocrite.

Perhaps a bad example to use.

I was hoping to spark a wider debate on criminality.

I realise I may have been a tad silly.

Apologies all.

Sadly this is the way of the modern world, Clampy. It’s not what the argument is that is being made, it is who is making the argument. If they are on the opposite side to your tribe, then they must be wrong, regardless of the argument that they are making.

I find it ever so confusing to be honest.

 

[Bry Nylon]

People will disregard and disparage the message because of the track record of the individual behind it.

But the bigger picture is that regardless of what things may or may not been like in the past, industry-scale shoplifting with utter impunity, rampant tool theft from tradespeople, phone theft, bike theft and an epidemic of near-deserted barbers being used as a front for laundering eye-watering sums of illicit cash is not okay.

Those responsible for all this are pissing themselves laughing as we all dance around the subject.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

How can he be so sure so many people are fare dodging? I go to London 2/3 times a month and still buy a paper travel card as I can’t be bothered to get my phone out to tap in/out each time. A lot of stations , especially on the DLR, have no barriers but tap in/out points only, so I just walk through.

I normally forget which card I've been using and probably end up paying the maximum possible fare at both ends.

 

[The Clamp]

People will disregard and disparage the message because of the track record of the individual behind it.

But the bigger picture is that regardless of what things may or may not been like in the past, industry-scale shoplifting with utter impunity, rampant tool theft from tradespeople, phone theft, bike theft and an epidemic of near deserted barbers being used as a front for laundering eye-watering sums of illicit cash is not okay.

Those responsible for all this are pissing themselves laughing as we all dance around the subject.

I agree.

 

[herecomesaregular]

I haven't been abroad for 6 years now, how does this country compare to the rotw nowadays on such things?

 

[maresfield seagull]

How can he be so sure so many people are fare dodging? I go to London 2/3 times a month and still buy a paper travel card as I can’t be bothered to get my phone out to tap in/out each time. A lot of stations , especially on the DLR, have no barriers but tap in/out points only, so I just walk through.

It’s the ones squeezing through shut barriers or rapidly behind a legitimate paying customer that are the clue to the high levels of fare evasion

 

[Greenbag50]

So let’s get this straight, a Tory MP, (who most on NSC don’t like anyway and think is a t\#t) goes onto the tube and challenges those who are brazenly not paying fares and jumping barriers, and gets the inevitable abuse and the casual ‘I’ve got a knife’ are ok with it, because
a; it’s always been done, just we see it now cause of social media
b khan doesn’t personally police the underground, so you can’t blame him
And c he once approved some building works therefore anything he says is discredited
Seriously….. this is criminality and should be ‘Clamped’ down on and does erode society

 

[aardvark]

Not exactly a glowing record in regards to the law

"Addressing the camera during the minute-long clip, Jenrick – who in 2020 accepted that his approval of Richard Desmond’s building project had been unlawful – said it was “so annoying watching so many people break the law and get away with it”. He added that the state needed to “reassert itself and go after lawbreakers”.

He needs reminding whose govt it was that cut 20,000 Police Officers during the austerity years, Police Service still hasn’t fully recovreed from the damage caused