[Music] Eurovision Song Contest 2025 ***Official Thread & Sweepstake***

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The juries still vote politically though. 12 from Cyprus for Greece, to name but one example. And it was only 3 years ago that Sam Ryder sort of won it for the UK. Maybe our song just wasn't Eurovision enough. Who knows, the competition never ceases to baffle me. What is really disturbing, though, is how many people blithely and obliviously voted for Israel and a very nondescript song. Quite shocking, really. Even if it was a fantastic song, Israel has no business being anywhere near Eurovision with its non-Europeaness and its murderous regime. Russia has a much better claim to take part with its slightly less murderous regime and slightly more European credentials. It's all so wrong.

Wow. That's quite a statement.
May I suggest you read up on the history of Russia and the numbers of its own people it has murdered over the decades?

Israel happen to have lurched mad and voted in a massive shyster, who is backed by fringe nutter parties. Hopefully that will change. Some democracies do elect bad leaders. Fortunately they can also vote them out. In Russia...

Russia doesn't vote in anyone. Their "dictatorship of the biggest bastard" is locked in, with a rigged system.

There may be reason for Israel not being invited to Eurovision.
"Whatabout" Russia isn't one of them.

I enjoy Eurovision because it a big silly camp load of nonsense, with an occasional good chune.
It became a total mess some years ago when the Russian bloc nations all brazenly rigged their voting.
Yes we know about Cyprus and Greece, but we can live with that.

If alleviating the suffering of the Palestinians and/or the freeing of the remaining Jewish hostages by Hamas
would be accelerated by excluding Israel from international life then of course you have a point.

With that in mind, I can give you a list of other nations that also should be boycotted in the wider sense,
largely for genocide against their own minorities and/or running a terror state.
Where do we start? Where do we stop?

As for their entrant: "Raphael was attending the Nova Sukkot Gathering music festival in Re'im on 7 October 2023, when Hamas terrorists attacked the festival. She hid inside a Death Shelter near kibbutz Be'eri with 50 other people, while sustaining shrapnel injuries from grenades thrown into the shelter. Raphael was one of 11 survivors, having hid under dead bodies for eight hours". As @lasvegan noted yesterday, Hamas started all this shit. The soppy protesters yesterday need to give their head a wobble.

 

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[Me and my Monkey]

Wow. That's quite a statement.
May I suggest you read up on the history of Russia and the numbers of its own people it has murdered over the decades?

Israel happen to have lurched mad and voted in a massive shyster, who is backed by fringe nutter parties. Hopefully that will change. Some democracies do elect bad leaders. Fortunately they can also vote them out. In Russia...

Russia doesn't vote in anyone. Their "dictatorship of the biggest bastard" is locked in, with a rigged system.

There may be reason for Israel not being invited to Eurovision.
"Whatabout" Russia isn't one of them.

I enjoy Eurovision because it a big silly camp load of nonsense, with an occasional good chune.
It became a total mess some years ago when the Russian bloc nations all brazenly rigged their voting.
Yes we know about Cyprus and Greece, but we can live with that.

If alleviating the suffering of the Palestinians and/or the freeing of the remaining Jewish hostages by Hamas
would be accelerated by excluding Israel from international life then of course you have a point.

With that in mind, I can give you a list of other nations that also should be boycotted in the wider sense,
largely for genocide against their own minorities and/or running a terror state.
Where do we start? Where do we stop?

As for their entrant: "Raphael was attending the Nova Sukkot Gathering music festival in Re'im on 7 October 2023, when Hamas terrorists attacked the festival. She hid inside a Death Shelter near kibbutz Be'eri with 50 other people, while sustaining shrapnel injuries from grenades thrown into the shelter. Raphael was one of 11 survivors, having hid under dead bodies for eight hours". As @lasvegan noted yesterday, Hamas started all this shit. The soppy protesters yesterday need to give their head a wobble.

You seem pretty angry, and I feel proper told off. I'm not whatabouterying, I'm just pointing out what I feel are glaring double standards, where a (non-European) country whose regime is carrying out horrific crimes is able to be represented in a European song contest, whereas another isn't. In my opinion, neither should be. It shouldn't be a competition between which regime is the nastiest. And "Hamas started it" is a pretty trite comment to put out there. You could dig back years, decades, centuries, even millenia and still never conclude who "started it".

And yes, Eurovision is silly, camp nonsense that shouldn't be tainted by politics. Maybe the organisers could work a little harder to prevent that happening, or at least minimise it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You seem pretty angry, and I feel proper told off. I'm not whatabouterying, I'm just pointing out what I feel are glaring double standards, where a (non-European) country whose regime is carrying out horrific crimes is able to be represented in a European song contest, whereas another isn't. In my opinion, neither should be. It shouldn't be a competition between which regime is the nastiest. And "Hamas started it" is a pretty trite comment to put out there. You could dig back years, decades, centuries, even millenia and still never conclude who "started it".

And yes, Eurovision is silly, camp nonsense that shouldn't be tainted by politics. Maybe the organisers could work a little harder to prevent that happening, or at least minimise it.

I'm not angry, and I'm not wishing to tell you off. I just felt inclined to offer a different perspective.

I have been to Israel and like it.
Unfortunately they have PR, so their minority parties have far too much influence.
(Take note UK liberals and greens, who seem to be happy to push for PR to double their seats at the expense of Reform increasing theirs twenty fold).
Bibi is a craven shit, rather like Trump, who has harnessed the nutter parties to bolster his position,
which, like that of Trump, is largely using office as a means to stave off prosecution.

Unlike Russia, Israel is at heart a liberal democracy.
Unlike Russia it is surrounded by enemies, armed to the teeth,
who want the Jews removed 'from the river to the sea'.

Unfortunately America has given Israel a get out of jail free card over the decades,
so when it comes to smiting the enemies, giving it back ten-fold is the norm.

Anyway, we all know all this, or should.
I won't even bother commenting on Hamas.
The question is what to do.

We need proper leadership in the US and in Europe.
Leadership that engages properly with Bibi's successor.
What we don't need is twunts like Corbyn and Ken Leninspart,
and lots of other Labour activists (I am a member of the party and have seen them in action),
who conflate Israel with Jew, and simply strengthen the Israeli hard line support.

Personally I don't think Israel or Australia should be in Eurovision.
But I also don't think Israel should play football as part of EUFA.
However, there is a very understandable reason why they do....
and anyway, I would rather middle Eastern nations aspire to European institutions and mores....
than look to a mediaeval solutions to life's ills.

 

[Me and my Monkey]

I'm not angry, and I'm not wishing to tell you off. I just felt inclined to offer a different perspective.

I have been to Israel and like it.
Unfortunately they have PR, so their minority parties have far too much influence.
(Take note UK liberals and greens, who seem to be happy to push for PR to double their seats at the expense of Reform increasing theirs twenty fold).
Bibi is a craven shit, rather like Trump, who has harnessed the nutter parties to bolster his position,
which, like that of Trump, is largely using office as a means to stave off prosecution.

Unlike Russia, Israel is at heart a liberal democracy.
Unlike Russia it is surrounded by enemies, armed to the teeth,
who want the Jews removed 'from the river to the sea'.

Unfortunately America has given Israel a get out of jail free card over the decades,
so when it comes to smiting the enemies, giving it back ten-fold is the norm.

Anyway, we all know all this, or should.
I won't even bother commenting on Hamas.
The question is what to do.

We need proper leadership in the US and in Europe.
Leadership that engages properly with Bibi's successor.
What we don't need is twunts like Corbyn and Ken Leninspart,
and lots of other Labour activists (I am a member of the party and have seen them in action),
who conflate Israel with Jew, and simply strengthen the Israeli hard line support.

Personally I don't think Israel or Australia should be in Eurovision.
But I also don't think Israel should play football as part of EUFA.
However, there is a very understandable reason why they do....
and anyway, I would rather middle Eastern nations aspire to European institutions and mores....
than look to a mediaeval solutions to life's ills.

I'd like to counter argue, Harry, but let's not turn this into yet another political thread (although we can all agree Eurovision and politics are barely inseparable) and risk shutting down a thread that should be about dreadful songs, silly costumes and the UK's inevitable disappointment.

Also, I want to have the last word ...

🫡

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'd like to counter argue, Harry, but let's not turn this into yet another political thread (although we can all agree Eurovision and politics are barely inseparable) and risk shutting down a thread that should be about dreadful songs, silly costumes and the UK's inevitable disappointment.

Also, I want to have the last word ...

🫡

No worries. I am sure we are on the same basic page
(But no, you can't have the last word )