clapham_gull
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ok - you'll have to give examples of "our customs" and examples of where the law is being broken.
Enoch Powell,speech. 40 years on.
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ok - you'll have to give examples of "our customs" and examples of where the law is being broken.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
"I regard many of the peoples in India as being superior in many respects – intellectually, for example, and in other respects – to Europeans".
defrocked priest
Father Footy
Is it really any different in anywhere else on this planet?
Never replied to my comment where you said I was racist.............You f***ing prick
m20gull
Well-known member
Like most people he was right about some things, wrong about others.
I'm also glad that I went to the trouble of re-reading the speech rather than try to remember it.
I'm also glad that I went to the trouble of re-reading the speech rather than try to remember it.
Chesney Christ
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"are laws" - Before you start preaching about people integrating into our society, I'd suggest you learn the English language yourself first.
Should we, for example, insist on the proper use of the English language?
And binge drinking.
Chesney Christ
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cjd
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I didn,t get that impression at Trafalgar Square this afternoon.............LOL..!
A major rally against the attitude of the BIA, which apparently, is threatening the continuation of all the curry restaurants in London....!
Juan Albion
Chicken Sniffer 3rd Class
Judging from his earlier sentences, I'd suggest he has already mastered that one.
mona
The Glory Game
Interesting programme on Radio 4 today which suggested that Powell's ideas were born in the religious/sectarian violence during Partition. He thought that democracy couldn't operate in a society with various religious groups.
clapham_gull
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Yeah - they was a similiar doc about him during the "white season" on BBC Four.
Said exactly the same.
1234andcounting
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Immigration is just a term used to describe the movement of people, which has been going on since before recorded history. If it hadn't, we would all be living in the Rift Valley in East Africa. There have consistently been mass movements of people for two principal reasons:
- to seek a better life, economically
- to escape persecution.
Britain itself has experienced wave after wave (so everyone with Celtic, Anglo Saxon or Viking antecedents should go home, perhaps).
Personally, I benefit thoroughly from the internationalisation of trade (Italian Car, Japanese tv, American hi-fi, for example), free movement (holidays in Africa, America as well as Europe) and the ability to invest my money wherever I choose - as I a am sure the majority of other NSC'ers do. To deny people the right to move internationally in this context is hypocrisy in the extreme.
That's the economic context. Morally, Powell was wrong in '68 and remains wrong to this day. There is so much evidence in history as to what happens when you begin to go down the path of singling out minorities for persecution that does not need to be repeated here.
- to seek a better life, economically
- to escape persecution.
Britain itself has experienced wave after wave (so everyone with Celtic, Anglo Saxon or Viking antecedents should go home, perhaps).
Personally, I benefit thoroughly from the internationalisation of trade (Italian Car, Japanese tv, American hi-fi, for example), free movement (holidays in Africa, America as well as Europe) and the ability to invest my money wherever I choose - as I a am sure the majority of other NSC'ers do. To deny people the right to move internationally in this context is hypocrisy in the extreme.
That's the economic context. Morally, Powell was wrong in '68 and remains wrong to this day. There is so much evidence in history as to what happens when you begin to go down the path of singling out minorities for persecution that does not need to be repeated here.
readingstockport
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Never replied to my comment where you said I was racist.............You f***ing prick
That's because I didn't say it you thick ****. If you are too sodding stupid to realise that then I can't be arsed to reply to you again moron.
I said you are right wing, I did not say you were racist. If you can't read basic English and understand it I despair and suggest you go to the English lessons you so evidently don't pay attention at when you're in school.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
I heard that programme as well - it was a very interesting listen, and certainly didn't paint him as a racist, just someone who saw the way India ripped itself apart after partition, due to the fact that people has more loyalty to their own 'group' than the nation as a whole, and also the race riots in the US.
They also showed that his main drive throughout his career was for equality, exemplified by his fight to get justice for African prisoners being mis-treated by the british in Africa in the 50s, where he stated that there should not be 'African justice' in Africa, and British Justice in Britain, but justice should apply to everyone.
What his 'rivers of blood' speech did do was make the subject of Immigration a no-go area for politicians from then until now.
Papa
Pretty pink fairy
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what about the inner city riots of the eighties
oh and oldham ,bradford and burnley!!!!!!
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Pretty pink fairy
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i always thought you viewed right wing as racist , thats what you have told me in the past
what about the inner city riots of the eighties
They were as more to do with unemployment and poor policing of ethnic areas than race itself.
Pretty pink fairy
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mmmmmmmmmmmmm they were mainly black people, nothing to do with race
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