Leekbrookgull
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Was he right ? No doubt maybe some on this board will slate me for it. However for me and i feel like some others we are living with a ticking timebomb. 
Enoch Powell,speech. 40 years on.
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Eggmundo
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- Jul 8, 2003
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It's irrelevant now, the world has changed so much his speech is no longer valid.
We are talking about a time when the UK was desperately refusing to believe that it would cease to be a 'superpower'. Now we are firmly established as the groveling mongrels of Europe, get in and get out taking what you can with you. Personally I believe all the 'immigrants' will want to go back, they won't need encouraging.
We are talking about a time when the UK was desperately refusing to believe that it would cease to be a 'superpower'. Now we are firmly established as the groveling mongrels of Europe, get in and get out taking what you can with you. Personally I believe all the 'immigrants' will want to go back, they won't need encouraging.
dougdeep
New member
He was right about a lot of things.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
If Powell had been right, the "ticking timebomb" would have blown up by now.
It hasn't. He wasn't.
It hasn't. He wasn't.
Eggmundo
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- Jul 8, 2003
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Why, did he put a timescale on such a bomb?
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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Yes he did.
Enoch Powell is a bit like Nostradamus.
His speech will be dragged out time and time again when ever immigration is mentioned.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Powell's intention, in 1968, was primarily to sabotage the Tory leadership's stance on the Race Relations Bill that was going through parliament at the time.
He failed. Heath sacked him from the Shadow Cabinet and the rest of the party leadership closed ranks against him. What Powell did achieve was the end of any serious debate about immigration policy.
The real tributaries of Enoch
He failed. Heath sacked him from the Shadow Cabinet and the rest of the party leadership closed ranks against him. What Powell did achieve was the end of any serious debate about immigration policy.
The real tributaries of Enoch
black night
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- Dec 25, 2006
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Enoch powell was bloody right .
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Which bits
He was wrong to say not to let other races in...but he was right about them creating different little countries within Britain....what should of happened was we should of made the blacks...asians and others adopt our culture....
Blame Roy Jenkins for all this mess
Blame Roy Jenkins for all this mess
fatbadger
New member
He was right when he said learning Latin is a good thing and should be encouraged. But that's about it.
readingstockport
New member
Yes he did, he specifically said that he foresaw what he predicted occuring within 20 years, that would have been 1988.
It didn't as his Lordship has said. Powell was wrong.
Juan Albion
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clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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He was wrong to say not to let other races in...but he was right about them creating different little countries within Britain....what should of happened was we should of made the blacks...asians and others adopt our culture....
Blame Roy Jenkins for all this mess
I always find that statement quite interesting to be honest. Be more specific, which parts of our culture ?
Nemesis
SERIOUSLY!
Should we, for example, insist on the proper use of the English language?
On here? Are you completely mad?
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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I think the tragedy of Powell is that he is as misunderstood and misrepresented by the Right as he is by the Left.
He was never a racist demon and he was never a nationalist. Certainly not the type that the BNP would like to paint him. To compare him to the likes of Mosley or Houston Stewart Chamberlain really does him a serious disservice. Powell was far more complicated. He was a deeply sensitive and thoughtful man. Possibly the cleverest politician of his generation who gambled and gambled so spectacularly wrong. He was a professor of classics before he was 30. A very brave and decorated soldier and a loving husband and very pious man. A fervent Unionist who despised Nazism, Communism and the -isms that always precipitated oppression. A lower-middle class boy from the midlands who never quite fitted in with the patrician Heath or Macmillan. He would have been a formidable Tory cabinet minister under Thatcher.
As LB has said, he tried to derail the Tory party policy with a deliberately provocative speech and was rightly denounced for it. My hero, Iain Macleod and Powell clashed often and never more so than on this subject but.....Powell spoke out because he believed he was right and spoke out of conviction. Trouble was that Powell is one of those types of Tories that the Conservative Party need as its conscience and brains but are a bit embarrassing when let loose on the public. Sir Keith Joseph is another as is Redwood. Very clever men but zilch interpersonal skills and completely and utterly unelectable as a leader of a party with as broad a membership and theology as the Conservatives.
Was Powell right? Well...for all our troubles, Britain is generally still a welcoming country for immigrants, we still find extremist politics beyond the pale and we have evolved into one of the most peaceful multicultured societies. We've evolved. Perhaps too quickly for the likes of Powell but by and large we're a better country for the immigrants. So no. He was not right then and his speeches then have as much relevance to the UK of the 21st century as a Showaddywaddy record.
That's my two-pennyworth anyway.
He was never a racist demon and he was never a nationalist. Certainly not the type that the BNP would like to paint him. To compare him to the likes of Mosley or Houston Stewart Chamberlain really does him a serious disservice. Powell was far more complicated. He was a deeply sensitive and thoughtful man. Possibly the cleverest politician of his generation who gambled and gambled so spectacularly wrong. He was a professor of classics before he was 30. A very brave and decorated soldier and a loving husband and very pious man. A fervent Unionist who despised Nazism, Communism and the -isms that always precipitated oppression. A lower-middle class boy from the midlands who never quite fitted in with the patrician Heath or Macmillan. He would have been a formidable Tory cabinet minister under Thatcher.
As LB has said, he tried to derail the Tory party policy with a deliberately provocative speech and was rightly denounced for it. My hero, Iain Macleod and Powell clashed often and never more so than on this subject but.....Powell spoke out because he believed he was right and spoke out of conviction. Trouble was that Powell is one of those types of Tories that the Conservative Party need as its conscience and brains but are a bit embarrassing when let loose on the public. Sir Keith Joseph is another as is Redwood. Very clever men but zilch interpersonal skills and completely and utterly unelectable as a leader of a party with as broad a membership and theology as the Conservatives.
Was Powell right? Well...for all our troubles, Britain is generally still a welcoming country for immigrants, we still find extremist politics beyond the pale and we have evolved into one of the most peaceful multicultured societies. We've evolved. Perhaps too quickly for the likes of Powell but by and large we're a better country for the immigrants. So no. He was not right then and his speeches then have as much relevance to the UK of the 21st century as a Showaddywaddy record.
That's my two-pennyworth anyway.
Our customs and to speak English and are laws...its crazy that muslims preachers scav off the state yet preach pure hatred....
defrocked priest
Father Footy
Should we, for example, insist on the proper use of the English language?
It's a pandemic, which Enoch brought to awareness.Immigration is the only way to bring in cheap labour which few of the born and raised, think is beneath them. We live in the digital age/industry now which on it's own has created a massive amount of demands.We want more for doing less.Enoch brought abought the awareness of too much of a good thing and now we're paying the price.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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Interesting. Are you saying that hatred and treason against the state was never preached by the indigenous people before lazy-arse, murder-minded muslims arrived on our shores?
If so, can I just say "remember, remember the 5th of November?"