[Albion] Enciso Screamer

[Simster]

And this is where we differ, I will watch and rewatch Enciso's goal against man city because it is spectacular. I do enjoy wins but the memorable moments in football for me are the ones that get you out of your seat and say wow.

A lot more people would watch a highlights video of Le Tissier than Makelele, but Makelele would win you more matches

I'm happy with how things have developed too, and if the club feel we are a level above him then so be it. But seeing less players like Enciso valued in the game is a sad thing

I still watch Jiri Skalak's absolute biffing thrike from the 4-0 home win against QPR. It doesn't mean I'd want him anywhere near our Premier League squad.

There are issues in Enciso's game that mean he's playing for a side doomed to relegation, and not one threatening the Champions League places. But I do hope he knuckles down and ends up back here, because he is likeable and as you say he's great to watch on his day.

 

[amexer]

For all the times he gets a shot away there are too many when he loses the ball trying to get in a position to shhot

 

[levs]

Huh? Le Tissier scored 100 Prem goals from MIDFIELD, in 280 games. He was the absolute embodiment of a match winner. Ensico is light years from him in almost every measure.

I wasn't comparing them in terms of quality, just that they both have a tendency to go for the spectacular. It was an extreme comparison to emphasise a point.

 

[levs]

I still watch Jiri Skalak's absolute biffing thrike from the 4-0 home win against QPR. It doesn't mean I'd want him anywhere near our Premier League squad.

There are issues in Enciso's game that mean he's playing for a side doomed to relegation, and not one threatening the Champions League places. But I do hope he knuckles down and ends up back here, because he is likeable and as you say he's great to watch on his day.

The difference between Skalak and Enciso is that with Enciso you get a feeling that he could produce something amazing every time he's on the ball, Knockaert would be a fairer comparison. I love his goal v Palace and will happily watch it time and time again. But he couldn't cut it at this level

I love a maverick player and enjoy it when they play for my team, nothing wrong with that

 

[Wardy's twin]

The difference between Skalak and Enciso is that with Enciso you get a feeling that he could produce something amazing every time he's on the ball, Knockaert would be a fairer comparison. I love his goal v Palace and will happily watch it time and time again. But he couldn't cut it at this level

I love a maverick player and enjoy it when they play for my team, nothing wrong with that

He could cut it as a winger but not wingback ... sometimes you need a maverick to do the different thing.....

 

[levs]

He could cut it as a winger but not wingback ... sometimes you need a maverick to do the different thing.....

He was a bit hamstrung by playing so deep. Would have been good to see him in a more offensive role in the prem.

We do need mavericks, the game is dull without them. It’s a shame that long shots are reducing due to an increased focus on stats.

 

[peterward]

He was a bit hamstrung by playing so deep. Would have been good to see him in a more offensive role in the prem.

We do need mavericks, the game is dull without them. It’s a shame that long shots are reducing due to an increased focus on stats.

He is a very talented lad. Lacks the consistency to be a regular right now.

But still young and hopefully he will improve.

 

[Invicta]

The difference between Skalak and Enciso is that with Enciso you get a feeling that he could produce something amazing every time he's on the ball, Knockaert would be a fairer comparison. I love his goal v Palace and will happily watch it time and time again. But he couldn't cut it at this level

I love a maverick player and enjoy it when they play for my team, nothing wrong with that

Reckon Knockaert in 2016 to 2019 form in the current team could be pretty awesome. He could finish.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Loved Enciso. Sadly, the injury seems to have derailed him and he hasn't yet got back to his old self. Bizarre move to Ipswich but perhaps that was the only option. Like Grealish, who's lost his flair, maybe a move abroad might suit him.

 

[AstroSloth]

generally works hard

When he first arrived he did for sure.

But it seemed that the longer he played for us the lazier he got (up until the last few games under Fab where he picked it up again).

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Too erratic and inconsistent for my liking. Needs off loading.

 

[American Seagle]

He was a bit hamstrung by playing so deep. Would have been good to see him in a more offensive role in the prem.

We do need mavericks, the game is dull without them. It’s a shame that long shots are reducing due to an increased focus on stats.

You can think goals from long shots have been reduced due to focusing on stats. But, ironically, the stats don't show that:

 

[levs]

You can think goals from long shots have been reduced due to focusing on stats. But, ironically, the stats don't show that:View attachment 199103

That graphic was from September 2024, after a unusual weekend with lots of long range goals. But the rest of the article evidences that there is downward trend in the number of long shots.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/4121353#:~:text=The number of shots from,to 8.8 in 2023/24.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm not convinced either coach he's worked under is a massive fan and he'll certainly be off in the summer, probably abroad as someone else said.

That Man City goal in the OP is part of the problem, particularly when it got nominated for the Puskas. Went straight to his head.

 

[amexer]

So many players try for a worldy curling into top corner. But all watchers want them to do is to just to whack it.. Lua Lua comes to mind

 

[American Seagle]

That graphic was from September 2024, after a unusual weekend with lots of long range goals. But the rest of the article evidences that there is downward trend in the number of long shots.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/4121353#:~:text=The number of shots from,to 8.8 in 2023/24.

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So, if the number of goals are the same, but the number of shots are less...your issue is the statistical analysis of soccer has reduced the number of wayward long shots?

 

[Han Solo]

So, if the number of goals are the same, but the number of shots are less...your issue is the statistical analysis of soccer has reduced the number of wayward long shots?

I'm guessing that yes, that is his issue.

And I think thats fair enough - a mix of strategical directives and a decrease in space (generally you need a little bit to make that screamer happen) has made goal scoring a bit more streamlined and removed some 'magic'/unpredictability from the game. I miss that, bit like how I miss how artists like Bergkamp today would struggle when everyone is a super athlete.

Something has been lost, and I miss that too. But in the case of Brighton I wouldn't sacrifice success for inefficient artistry.

 

[levs]

Yes @Han Solo that's exactly my point. Players are being coached and analysed to the nth degree now, which means they are taking on less of the statistically less likely attempts as they were. Therefore we are seeing less players attempting the lower xg shots from range, and for me a certain amount of "magic/excitement" is then lost

Do I think that statistical trend is a bad thing for the success of football teams? No. But I do think it is a bad thing for the spectacle of the sport. I find the highly trained athletes that we have today are admirable and impressive, but I don't enjoy the reduction in unexpected moments, risk takers and maverick players. Much like how I prefer Messi to Ronaldo, Messi does things that look impossible and blow your mind, Ronaldo is high performing athlete that has honed his skill to a ridiculous level.

This is an interesting article on it, that made me a bit sad about the direction that football is going as a spectator sport

Long range goals: Is shooting from outside the box a dying art in football?

BBC Sport explores the history of long-range goals in the Premier League and how data and tactics are shaping how often they're scored.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[American Seagle]

I'm guessing that yes, that is his issue.

And I think thats fair enough - a mix of strategical directives and a decrease in space (generally you need a little bit to make that screamer happen) has made goal scoring a bit more streamlined and removed some 'magic'/unpredictability from the game. I miss that, bit like how I miss how artists like Bergkamp today would struggle when everyone is a super athlete.

Something has been lost, and I miss that too. But in the case of Brighton I wouldn't sacrifice success for inefficient artistry.

I am not sure I agree. There is lots of artistry in controlling the play and building an attack in the "modern" way.
I think it's more exciting than giving it to a player and hoping they pull off something magical.