Egypt...oh no.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Didn't Israel start the 6 day war?

Depends which side of the fence you're on.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Point of order, Egypt is not an "Arab State" - its in North Africa.

Apparently they consider themselves arabs these days.

Well the Muslim ones do anyway.

http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2012/09/06/are-egyptians-africans-or-arabs/

 

[BadFish]

Depends which side of the fence you're on.

Bit like this whole discussion.

 

[Seagull58]

Didn't Israel start the 6 day war?

The war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields after a period of high tension that included an Israeli raid into the Jordanian-controlled West Bank[12][13] in response to sabotage acts aimed at Israeli targets,[14][15][16] Israeli initiated aerial clashes over Syrian territory,[17] Syrian artillery attacks against Israeli civilian settlements in the vicinity of the border followed by Israeli responses against Syrian positions in the Golan Heights and encroachments of increasing intensity and frequency into the demilitarized zones along the Syrian border,[18] and culminating in Egypt blocking the Straits of Tiran,[19] deploying its troops near Israel's border,and ordering the evacuation of the U.N. buffer force from the Sinai Peninsula.[20][21] Within six days, Israel had won a decisive land war. Israeli forces had taken control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria

 

[somerset]

Didn't Israel start the 6 day war?

There had been a massive wave of sabotage attacks and border incursions right across Israel, the West bank and the Golan heights by Jordan, Egypt and Syria, so Israel retaliated in the way they thought best, ie air raids on military airfields. It then escalated, and Israel beat them in 6-days. So technically, yes, they started the real action.

EDIT: see post above.

 

[somerset]

Bit like this whole discussion.

That's the beauty of a discussion, you get to see other peoples points of view, .. and remarkably, you discuss them.

 

[BadFish]

That's the beauty of a discussion, you get to see other peoples points of view, .. and remarkably, you discuss them.

then a few months later you discuss them again.

 

[somerset]

then a few months later you discuss them again.

Chuckle,... yes,.... I wonder when the 'Blair's illegal war' topic will come up again?!!

 

[BadFish]

There had been a massive wave of sabotage attacks and border incursions right across Israel, the West bank and the Golan heights by Jordan, Egypt and Syria, so Israel retaliated in the way they thought best, ie air raids on military airfields. It then escalated, and Israel beat them in 6-days. So technically, yes, they started the real action.

EDIT: see post above.

Presumably there were some reasons for the sabotage attacks and the border incursions?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

People seem to have the wrong impression of America's involvement with Israel.

I think at times if the Yanks weren't there to broker situations involving the Israelis they'd have gone full metal jacket on some of the Arab states and wiped them out.

Israeli's are some of the best fighting units on the planet.

Not many nations can mobilize almost all of their population for combat.

 

[bernster]

You mean Gaza, Golan Heights and the West Bank?

1) Gaza was captured by Israel from Egypt after Israel was attacked first in the 6 day war, it has now handed it back to the Palestinians.
2) The West bank was captured from Jordon the same war, Jordan however signed over this territory to Israel and renounced claims to it some years later.
3) All the territory captured from Syria in the Golan Heights has now been handed back to Syria.
I am assuming you mean the development of jewish settlements in the West Bank, this is obviously against the previous agreements ( UN sponsored), but don't forget, that technically is still Israel, they are not stealing other nations territory.

my understanding is that israel fired the first shots in the 6 day war.also i dont believe that the golan heights have been fully returned to syria.israel still maintains a significant military presence there.
Egypt is the most important arab country in the region by a long way if it goes the same way as syria then the repercussions are much worse than anything else that has happened so far in that part of the world.
it is staggering how the west keeps making so many awful policy decisions in this part of the world.it is bad enough as it is without the "enlightened democracies" actually making a terrible situation even worse.

 

[somerset]

Presumably there were some reasons for the sabotage attacks and the border incursions?

The continued existence of the state of Israel yes.

 

[BadFish]

The continued existence of the state of Israel yes.

Or the continued persecution of the people of Palestine and the stealing of their lands.

 

[willyfantastic]

I'd like to know what hybrid_x thinks of this thread

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Or the continued persecution of the people of Palestine and the stealing of their lands.

So would you say the Palestinians always had the right to fight back agaisnt the Israelis incursions?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You mean Gaza, Golan Heights and the West Bank?

1) Gaza was captured by Israel from Egypt after Israel was attacked first in the 6 day war, it has now handed it back to the Palestinians.
2) The West bank was captured from Jordon the same war, Jordan however signed over this territory to Israel and renounced claims to it some years later.
3) All the territory captured from Syria in the Golan Heights has now been handed back to Syria.

I am assuming you mean the development of jewish settlements in the West Bank, this is obviously against the previous agreements ( UN sponsored), but don't forget, that technically is still Israel, they are not stealing other nations territory.

And yet still active UN resolutions demand that all the parties involve retreat to the 1967 borders. The destruction and theft of Arab owned olive groves to build the dividing walls seems to have been forgotten as well.

 

[BadFish]

So would you say the Palestinians always had the right to fight back agaisnt the Israelis incursions?

I think the natural response to someone taking your land would be to fight. When your aggressors are as powerful as Israel then it is a hard fight and not one you will win toe to toe.

 

[somerset]

it is staggering how the west keeps making so many awful policy decisions in this part of the world.it is bad enough as it is without the "enlightened democracies" actually making a terrible situation even worse.

Why do you ignore the catastrophic policy decisions made by the nations of the middle east themselves? Two nations only in that immediate region are stable and economically prosperous, 1) Israel, a democracy, and economically attached to most of the enlightened world in one way or another, 2) Jordan, another democracy, constitutional monarchy like us, economically booming, secular ( they ban any religiously aligned political parties ), good relations with most nations in the region and beyond.

 

[Curious Orange]

Apparently they consider themselves arabs these days.

Well the Muslim ones do anyway.

http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2012/09/06/are-egyptians-africans-or-arabs/

Funny how peoples perception of their own identity changes irrespective of geography... would/could we ever get to a stage in this country where we consider ourselves Poles, and I wonder if Iranians would ever start considering themselves Arabs rather than Persians?

(those are completely off topic thoughts, just my musings on the transient nature of societies, so please feel free to ignore)

 

[somerset]

Or the continued persecution of the people of Palestine and the stealing of their lands.

The same persecution that the Palestinians suffer in Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon who all have regions within their borders that the Palestinians claim is theirs by right and ancestry.