- Nov 11, 2009
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Is this you?
She is guilty of the crimes she committed.
Does 'ignore thread' work for you? It doesn't seem to work for me.Appreciate the ridiculousness of my posting and then saying I wish this thread would sink to the bottom, like the bottom feeder Trump is, but I really am sick of seeing his name on our forum.
I suspect as well as spoilt ballot papers, voter turnout could be the key to the outcome of this election - the question for a significant proportion of the electorate won’t be, ‘‘Do I vote for Trump or do I vote for Biden?’‘ or even an independent, it will be, “Do I vote at all?”It baffles me that you choose one over the other. The correct response is surely to spoil your ballot paper or vote for an independent, even knowing they won’t win.
It won’t change the immediate outcome, but might bring the parties a little closer to sanity.
1. If you are leftwing I do not expect you to see Trump as benevolent.1 what you are trying to say is that Trump’s popular support represents a societal change at a deeper level than simply a rotation of mainstream parties, then I agree but we differ deeply on your characterisation that it is a force of a benevolence .
2 Trump is the most partisan leader America has ever produced, is an anathema to international diplomacy because his power is dependent on perpetuating conflict and division - the yawning chasm in American society is something Trump exploits in his quest for power, not something he has any inclination to heal or even build a bridge over. Trump has nothing to offer beyond deconstructing power and rebuilding it in his own image and encouraging the despotism of the multitude - A very dangerous combination imo especially if its proponent is an emotionally stunted narcissist.
3 A revolution is never a desirable option where reform is suffice but a revolution with no ideology except to gain and hang onto to power for the sake of power is rotten and Machiavellian to its core.
Fair point - but my reasons for not seeing the ‘re-energising’ of ‘civilisation’, as you called it, as benevolent, is not because I am left wing or right wing, in fact it is nothing to do with politics, it is because Trump incites hatred, violence and mob mentality. I think he is a dangerous fool and all that needs to happen for his brand of malevolence to prevail is for good people to do nothing ( to paraphrase one of the original civil libertarians)1. If you are leftwing I do not expect you to see Trump as benevolent.
surely you are not saying because Lincoln fought for the abolition of slavery in the South, he was a divisive leader? Lincoln was the opposite of ‘divisive‘ - he recognised that the Union if divided against itself would fall - so the North ( pro- abolition) had to fight the South ( pro-slavery) in order for the Country to be slave free and United.2 Trump is not the most partisan, that was Abe Lincoln who spilt the country into war.
Trump is not divisive, he is using a brand of nationalism to unite a nation. It’s the race and gender grifters who are divisive as well as the MSM with its fake news. The word you are looking for is confrontational.
We have already seen plenty of evidence that any revolution triggered by MAGA ultras is not going to be peaceful - Jan 6, all the violent rhetoric and imagery since then has been anything but peaceful - it is highly disturbing the undercurrents rippling through this election campaign.3. its the same revolution, life and liberty etc. Hopefully a peaceful one by vote(Like Brexit), but then if the DNC decide that open borders is a good way to add at least 14 congressional seats you will get a hot one. We are in uncharted territory here with potentially many black swan events.
America has been here before …it will survive, the moderates of the electorate will prevail but yes, there is a certain inevitability about events unfolding:You cant stop what is coming.
You have me on ignore so I recall.1. If you are leftwing I do not expect you to see Trump as benevolent.
2 Trump is not the most partisan, that was Abe Lincoln who spilt the country into war. Trump is not divisive, he is using a brand of nationalism to unite a nation. Its the race and gender grifters who are divisive as well as the MSM with its fake news. The word you are looking for is confrontational.
3. its the same revolution, life and liberty etc. Hopefully a peaceful one by vote(Like Brexit), but then if the DNC decide that open borders is a good way to add at least 14 congressional seats you will get a hot one. We are in uncharted territory here with potentially many black swan events.
You cant stop what is coming.
I salute your indefatigability.Fair point - but my reasons for not seeing the ‘re-energising’ of ‘civilisation’, as you called it, as benevolent, is not because I am left wing or right wing, in fact it is nothing to do with politics, it is because Trump incites hatred, violence and mob mentality. I think he is a dangerous fool and all that needs to happen for his brand of malevolence to prevail is for good people to do nothing ( to paraphrase one of the original civil libertarians)
surely you are not saying because Lincoln fought for the abolition of slavery in the South, he was a divisive leader? Lincoln was the opposite of ‘divisive‘ - he recognised that the Union if divided against itself would fall - so the North ( pro- abolition) had to fight the South ( pro-slavery) in order for the Country to be slave free and United.
Trump is the epitome of ‘divisive’ - he pits groups and individuals against each other constantly- ok the idea of ‘nationalism’ might suggest ’one-nation’ politics but that is not what Trump stands for - America is multi-cultural society built on a heritage of immigration and indigenous peoples. Trump’s version of ‘nationalism’ does not come without exclusion and disparity - if groups and individuals ‘confront’ Trump it is because he demeans and denigrates them whether it be members of the press, the Judiciary, the security services, whether they be women, LGBT, Hispanics, Muslims, fellow politicians ( Reps and Dems) etc etc
We have already seen plenty of evidence that any revolution triggered by MAGA ultras is not going to be peaceful - Jan 6, all the violent rhetoric and imagery since then has been anything but peaceful - it is highly disturbing the undercurrents rippling through this election campaign.
America has been here before …it will survive, the moderates of the electorate will prevail but yes, there is a certain inevitability about events unfolding:
‘Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We’re finally on our own
This Summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in Ohio”
I’m very much like you H, always seeking to find common ground with people and ways to engage with opposing views - perhaps my patience has a little more longevity so my ignore list is shorter but it is growing . I’m ok with engaging with anyone on this forum providing any exchange remains mutually respectful and civil.I salute your indefatigability.
Another word you made me look up…I salute your indefatigability.
See you soon-ish, perhapsAnother word you made me look up…
Top work.I’m very much like you H, always seeking to find common ground with people and ways to engage with opposing views - perhaps my patience has a little more longevity . I’m ok with engaging with anyone on this forum providing any exchange remains mutually respectful and civil.
That’s why I like you Harry…Top work.
Me? I struggle. Sixty years of dealing with people through the prism of my autism by the only means I imagined possible (being aggressive and confrontational) have made being nice . . . . tricky (ahem).
But, like John Lydon, I (also do) try so hard to be nice
Biden took files to his home (and other locations) but no jury would convict him because he is too senile.Is Trump not guilty of taking files to his home? Is he not guilty of encouraging people to go down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol and fight like hell? Is he not guilty of asking governors to find some extra votes to change the result of the election?
You seem to be applying one rule to Hilary and another rule to Trump.
Ah - I didn’t mean I suffer fools gladly or don’t get enraged with customer service pro-forma responses, people who gaze no further than at their navels for an explanation of the world or chat bot mentalities, or insincerity, rudeness, bullying, gossips, bigots, passive aggressors, snobs and control freaks, people who don’t care about anyone beyond their scope of self-interest, people who trash the environment, people who talk about what’s on tv as the highlight of their day, just to name a few things - you see while I am very interested in engaging with people with alternative views to me in debates on most topics I am also very intolerant and prefer not to engage with any member of the human race at all most of the time - that’s my neurodiversity coping strategy
Top work.
Me? I struggle. Sixty years of dealing with people through the prism of my autism by the only means I imagined possible (being aggressive and confrontational) have made being nice . . . . tricky (ahem).
But, like John Lydon, I (also do) try so hard to be nice
All this nit-picking around the edges sounds like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic and probably a distraction to what is really happening:Biden took files to his home (and other locations) but no jury would convict him because he is too senile.
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” He also asked for 10,000 national guards to protect the capitol If needed.
Chairman Loudermilk Publishes Never-Before Released Anthony Ornato Transcribed Interview
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on House Administrationcha.house.gov
Hillary deleted thousands of emails and smashed up personal devices, phones, etc.
It‘s more like applying one rule for Trump and another rule for Hillary.
You mean the Guardian lost you - not my words - actually posting that rather hyperbolic article was me reaching out in compromise to the rightwing populists amongst us because it recognises that the system itself is creaking under the strain of intransigent politicians all playing quid pro quo with the legislative agendas and the ’swamp’ Trump complains of.“The right has recognized that the system is in collapse, and it has a plan: violence and solidarity with treasonous far-right factions”
You lost me there…