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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024
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tedebear
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Appreciate the ridiculousness of my posting and then saying I wish this thread would sink to the bottom, like the bottom feeder Trump is, but I really am sick of seeing his name on our forum.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Whatever your chosen rosette it surely looks frightening over there. Fundamentalism and propaganda seem to be rife. One can't help but be concerned about the outcome of the election.
Is Trump not guilty of taking files to his home? Is he not guilty of encouraging people to go down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol and fight like hell? Is he not guilty of asking governors to find some extra votes to change the result of the election?
You seem to be applying one rule to Hilary and another rule to Trump.
Does 'ignore thread' work for you? It doesn't seem to work for me.
- Oct 20, 2022
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I suspect as well as spoilt ballot papers, voter turnout could be the key to the outcome of this election - the question for a significant proportion of the electorate won’t be, ‘‘Do I vote for Trump or do I vote for Biden?’‘ or even an independent, it will be, “Do I vote at all?”
@Peter Ward ’s clip showing the behaviour of Trump supporters may turn moderate voters right off the election altogether in protest at a contest that is threatening to rip the country apart. Especially when the vast majority of people didn’t want a rematch between Biden and Trump in the first place. In an election where margins are so tight in key swing states, it could go either way therefore, right up to the finish line. I really do fear the civil unrest and violent rhetoric that is beginning to characterise Trump’s core base, like a cultish ring of desperados looking to their leader to ‘save them’ and blindly stuck in a codependent relationship with their chosen demagogue. Conversely sights like that may mobilise the Democratic voters to keep Trump out at all costs and turn Republican moderates away from Trump to abstain, vote for an independent or even vote for Biden - either way, Jan 6 is looking more and more look like a prelude to a larger event.
Crawley Dingo
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- Mar 31, 2022
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1. If you are leftwing I do not expect you to see Trump as benevolent.
2 Trump is not the most partisan, that was Abe Lincoln who spilt the country into war. Trump is not divisive, he is using a brand of nationalism to unite a nation. Its the race and gender grifters who are divisive as well as the MSM with its fake news. The word you are looking for is confrontational.
3. its the same revolution, life and liberty etc. Hopefully a peaceful one by vote(Like Brexit), but then if the DNC decide that open borders is a good way to add at least 14 congressional seats you will get a hot one. We are in uncharted territory here with potentially many black swan events.
You cant stop what is coming.
- Oct 20, 2022
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Fair point - but my reasons for not seeing the ‘re-energising’ of ‘civilisation’, as you called it, as benevolent, is not because I am left wing or right wing, in fact it is nothing to do with politics, it is because Trump incites hatred, violence and mob mentality. I think he is a dangerous fool and all that needs to happen for his brand of malevolence to prevail is for good people to do nothing ( to paraphrase one of the original civil libertarians)
surely you are not saying because Lincoln fought for the abolition of slavery in the South, he was a divisive leader? Lincoln was the opposite of ‘divisive‘ - he recognised that the Union if divided against itself would fall - so the North ( pro- abolition) had to fight the South ( pro-slavery) in order for the Country to be slave free and United.
Trump is the epitome of ‘divisive’ - he pits groups and individuals against each other constantly- ok the idea of ‘nationalism’ might suggest ’one-nation’ politics but that is not what Trump stands for - America is multi-cultural society built on a heritage of immigration and indigenous peoples. Trump’s version of ‘nationalism’ does not come without exclusion and disparity - if groups and individuals ‘confront’ Trump it is because he demeans and denigrates them whether it be members of the press, the Judiciary, the security services, whether they be women, LGBT, Hispanics, Muslims, fellow politicians ( Reps and Dems) etc etc
We have already seen plenty of evidence that any revolution triggered by MAGA ultras is not going to be peaceful - Jan 6, all the violent rhetoric and imagery since then has been anything but peaceful - it is highly disturbing the undercurrents rippling through this election campaign.
America has been here before …it will survive, the moderates of the electorate will prevail but yes, there is a certain inevitability about events unfolding:
‘Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We’re finally on our own
This Summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in Ohio”
You have me on ignore so I recall.
That's because you are an arse and can't take being told.
I salute your indefatigability.
- Oct 20, 2022
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I’m very much like you H, always seeking to find common ground with people and ways to engage with opposing views - perhaps my patience has a little more longevity so my ignore list is shorter but it is growing
. I’m ok with engaging with anyone on this forum providing any exchange remains mutually respectful and civil.Another word you made me look up…
See you soon-ish, perhaps
Top work.I’m very much like you H, always seeking to find common ground with people and ways to engage with opposing views - perhaps my patience has a little more longevity
Me? I struggle. Sixty years of dealing with people through the prism of my autism by the only means I imagined possible (being aggressive and confrontational) have made being nice . . . . tricky (ahem).
But, like John Lydon, I (also do) try so hard to be nice
That’s why I like you Harry…Top work.
Me? I struggle. Sixty years of dealing with people through the prism of my autism by the only means I imagined possible (being aggressive and confrontational) have made being nice . . . . tricky (ahem).
But, like John Lydon, I (also do) try so hard to be nice
Biden took files to his home (and other locations) but no jury would convict him because he is too senile.
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” He also asked for 10,000 national guards to protect the capitol If needed.
Chairman Loudermilk Publishes Never-Before Released Anthony Ornato Transcribed Interview
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on House Administration
cha.house.gov
Hillary deleted thousands of emails and smashed up personal devices, phones, etc.
It‘s more like applying one rule for Trump and another rule for Hillary.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Ah - I didn’t mean I suffer fools gladly or don’t get enraged with customer service pro-forma responses, people who gaze no further than at their navels for an explanation of the world or chat bot mentalities, or insincerity, rudeness, bullying, gossips, bigots, passive aggressors, snobs and control freaks, people who don’t care about anyone beyond their scope of self-interest, people who trash the environment, people who talk about what’s on tv as the highlight of their day, just to name a few things - you see while I am very interested in engaging with people with alternative views to me in debates on most topics I am also very intolerant and prefer not to engage with any member of the human race at all most of the time - that’s my neurodiversity coping strategy
Top work.
Me? I struggle. Sixty years of dealing with people through the prism of my autism by the only means I imagined possible (being aggressive and confrontational) have made being nice . . . . tricky (ahem).
But, like John Lydon, I (also do) try so hard to be nice
I haven't looked into it but there must be some discussion around trump and Neurodiversity. Not sure about autism as such but Adhd with high Rejection Sensitivity Disphoria. PDA, maybe Odd look likely to me. All untreated with trauma from an alleged abusive upbringing could explain a fair chuck of what we see today.
- Oct 20, 2022
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All this nit-picking around the edges sounds like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic and probably a distraction to what is really happening:Biden took files to his home (and other locations) but no jury would convict him because he is too senile.
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” He also asked for 10,000 national guards to protect the capitol If needed.
Chairman Loudermilk Publishes Never-Before Released Anthony Ornato Transcribed Interview
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on House Administration
Hillary deleted thousands of emails and smashed up personal devices, phones, etc.
It‘s more like applying one rule for Trump and another rule for Hillary.
While @Crawley Dingo expresses some strange ideas, most of which I disagree with, we do share common ground in that I think there is seismic change happening in American society between the people and their relationship with the institutions that govern them - the in fighting between both political parties and the failure for years of the Republicans and Democrats to work effectively together in a bipartisan way when it is for the good of the people has stultified the political system in such a way, that the difficulty getting legislation through Congress has reduced successive Presidents into arbiters of stalemates.
“The root cause of all this dysfunction — the reluctance to vote, the holding of one issue hostage to another, the brinkmanship and the refusal to compromise — is the sorting of the country and the Congress into two ideologically consistent parties that have adopted the same tactics and now fought each other to a draw.”
Congress is now barely fit for purpose and both the Dems and Republicans ignore public dissatisfaction at their peril imo - I certainly don’t think Trump is the answer but he is a wake up call that shouldn’t be ignored …
The next US civil war is already here – we just refuse to see it
The right has recognized that the system is in collapse, and it has a plan: violence and solidarity with treasonous far-right factions
www.theguardian.com
- Oct 20, 2022
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You mean the Guardian lost you - not my words - actually posting that rather hyperbolic article was me reaching out in compromise to the rightwing populists amongst us because it recognises that the system itself is creaking under the strain of intransigent politicians all playing quid pro quo with the legislative agendas and the ’swamp’ Trump complains of.
The Guardian is saying Trump’s response to the ’swamp’ is to incite violence and align himself with the insurrectionist Proud Boys and Oath Keepers (far right groups that stormed the Capitol) - which seems to be backed up by the evidence so far.