[Politics] Donald Trump 2024

[BadFish]

Then don’t read my posts. it’s simple.

If you continue to respond to my posts with rudeness, I will put you on ignore - Not once on this thread have I made personal digs about you or been rude, I have even defended you on a number of occasions when people have baited you, saying that you have a right to argue your POV - Yet, you have repeatedly trolled me with name calling and accusing me of lying, of ‘swallowing fake news’ of fabricating my sources and far worse. And now because a few other posters have attacked the length of my posts, you think you will jump on the bandwagon and use that to bully me into silence about my arguments about Trump.

You asked me a direct question a wide sweeping question btw, why populism has arisen globally over the last few decades (literally a question that can not be answered adequately in a 5 line paragraph as you well knew) - I answered it as succinctly as possible.

Read back on the thread, I am not the only poster who has often written long posts on here or on other threads, so reign it in. Or perhaps is because you know I outsmart you on the arguments each time that rather than address the points intelligently your response is to attack me instead? I’m not going to be advised by one of the biggest trolls on this thread on how I should write my posts

How about changing your attitude a bit eh?









Seriously, you are adding very little to the debate on this thread, despite some of us endlessly trying to accommodate your POV and despite your rudeness and name calling so perhaps you would do well to focus on the football threads as you said tbh because although your political POV is welcome as is anybody’s, your attitude towards other posters is not.

If you look at his posting history he never posts on football related threads.

 

[Zeberdi]

If you look at his posting history he never posts on football related threads.

I have no intention of wasting my time browsing his posting history and don’t particularly care where he posts thanks, I was just suggesting he follow his own desire to post on here less and focus on the football threads

I have no wish to spend much more than 30 mins on here preferably browsing football threads

I spent a lot of time drafting a full response to his question about populism and just got a rude response instead so really can’t be bothered with him anymore frankly - I have tried to be polite and informative when he asks me direct questions but he’s just wasting my time consistently.

 

[BadFish]

I don’t particularly care where he posts thanks, I was just suggesting he follow his own desire to post on here less and focus on the football threads


I spent a lot of time drafting a full response to his question about populism and just got a rude response instead so really can’t be bothered with him anymore frankly - I have tried to be polite and informative when he asks me direct questions but he’s just wasting my time consistently.

No offence meant, I was just pointing out that you are probably on the money that he is a second account or a troll.

 

[Zeberdi]

No offence meant, I was just pointing out that you are probably on the money that he is a second account or a troll.

I didn’t take offence . I just can’t be bothered to spend any more time on people who can’t be civil and respectful to those who have a different POV than them on things. I have no further interest in his trolling behaviour which btw has been obvious not just to me but many other posters here.

I believe it is important for those supporting Trump to participate in the thread for healthy debate but personal insults and trolling adds nothing to that end.

(Personally I believe he is also ‘Spence’ - another a trolling account, who is MAGA obsessed but that’s neither here nor there.. )

 

[chickens]

A surreal experience since CD went on ignore. A CD post, followed by a string of people trying to show them the error of their ways.

I suspect CD knows precisely what they’re doing, there is either a form of vulnerability there, or they are an accomplished “bad actor” without any sense of belief in their words, but willing to keep others strung along responding to them.

I fear all arguments fall on the same deaf ears. I can thoroughly recommend the ignore function, it brings balm to a weary soul.

 

[Pavilionaire]

This thread has been ruined. Well done guys.

 

[Machiavelli]

This thread has been ruined. Well done guys.

Really don't know who you're blaming here.
I'm not a free speech zealot, and when someone acts in bad faith, or incites hatred, then they deserve to be banned. That's all I'll say about this thread (which I haven't posted on for a long time).

 

[Bodian]

Their?

Well, yes.

Avoid gendered pronouns (he or she) when the person’s gender is unknown

When using a gendered pronoun (e.g.

eige.europa.eu

 

[schmunk]

And their you are being rude, saying you have TDS isn't rude as I pointed out the lack of conciliatory points.

Whenever you (or others) post the HILARIOUS term "TDS" it makes me think of this.



What will Trump have to do, beyond all the stupid, harmful and offensive things he's done to date, for you to stop believing in him?

 

[Bodian]

The thread isn’t ‘ruined’, don’t be silly - in a few pages, it will all be forgotten. However, not sure who you are directing your ‘well done guys’ remark at given this spat was between myself and CD - I suspect the intention is inflammatory though rather than concern for the thread. This is the first time I have drawn a line under all the baiting and trolling here (on both sides at times) . It’s because I’ve not wanted to ‘ruin the thread’, (one I started because I am genuinely interested in following the course of Trump’s campaign for a second term) that I have not joined the pile ons and let the accusations of baiting and trolling go, time and time again, and given CD the benefit of the doubt but enough is enough. Somehow this whole thread is dominated by CD posting baiting comments then people getting upset with CD and it is incredibly boring - and very annoying for those of us wanting to discuss the issues.

Trouble is - it seems hard to discuss the issues. The main question on this thread has always been 'what is it that makes people vote Trump given all we know about him?'. And that's really what I am interested in - what drives people to support him, what do they really think he will do for them. And that question rarely gets answered directly by those supporting Trump - so it's difficult to discuss!

 

[Zeberdi]

Whenever you (or others) post the HILARIOUS term "TDS" it makes me think of this.



What will Trump have to do, beyond all the stupid, harmful and offensive things he's done to date, for you to stop believing in him?

It might be hilarious on the face of it but an NSC member telling someone they have a ‘bad case of TDS‘ is a deliberately offensive and partisan slur, a pejorative term used by MAGA supporters to portray those that are anti-Trump as being mentally deficient or having a psychiatric illness. Given the number of times I have been trolled because of my autism and accused of having mental health problems (which isn’t a mental illness but neurodivergence), I’m pretty sure that CD knew what he was doing when he applied that term to me and not to any other poster on this thread, and is telling in itself about his trolling habits.

 

[Zeberdi]

Trouble is - it seems hard to discuss the issues. The main question on this thread has always been 'what is it that makes people vote Trump given all we know about him?'. And that's really what I am interested in - what drives people to support him, what do they really think he will do for them. And that question rarely gets answered directly by those supporting Trump - so it's difficult to discuss!

Yep, exactly and your genuine enquiring approach is the only spirit in which true debate can take place imo. I have however, come to the conclusion that I think you are not going to get anywhere trying to get these answers out of CD - as @chickens says above.

I have found @lasvegan easy to converse with and seems at least open to flexible thinking and has coherency and objectivity in his posts but apart from that, who else is there on NSC that confesses to being a Trump supporter? Finding a Trump supporter who can articulate intelligent policy reasons why they support Trump is a tough ask frankly imo even beyond the forum because Trump himself is not a rational orator and his personal proclivities tend to drown out any considered response to what he is saying about policy.

 

[lasvegan]

Trouble is - it seems hard to discuss the issues. The main question on this thread has always been 'what is it that makes people vote Trump given all we know about him?'. And that's really what I am interested in - what drives people to support him, what do they really think he will do for them. And that question rarely gets answered directly by those supporting Trump - so it's difficult to discuss!

It’s really not that complicated, just idealogical. Trump may be a bad man, but I also believe Biden (or whoever is running him) is a bad man. Which brings up another serious question, we don’t really know who is, do we? It is obvious he no longer has the mental acuity to be the leader of the “free world”, in which case why would someone even consider voting for him?

I know that people think the Republican Party has gone far right, but I also believe the Democrat Party is now far left, socialist even. I just want to live my life as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible, nothing more, nothing less. I want nothing to do with Socialism, and that’s where the democrats are taking us. If I voice an opinion, or post something from a conservative site, I just get told my opinions are worthless as the source is untrustworthy. You can’t have a debate when people aren’t interested in the other side of the story.

 

[lasvegan]

It might be hilarious on the face of it but an NSC member telling someone they have a ‘bad case of TDS‘ is a deliberately offensive and partisan slur, a pejorative term used by MAGA supporters to portray those that are anti-Trump as being mentally deficient or having a psychiatric illness. Given the number of times I have been trolled because of my autism and accused of having mental health problems (which isn’t a mental illness but neurodivergence), I’m pretty sure that CD knew what he was doing when he applied that term to me and not to any other poster on this thread, and is telling in itself about his trolling habits.

I’m not sure that it is deliberately offensive and partisan, but I do believe TDS is a real thing. People let him get so far under their skin they say the most ridiculous and disturbing things. There is someone on here who posted the the most deranged piece that I’ve ever read.

 

[lasvegan]

Yep, exactly and your genuine enquiring approach is the only spirit in which true debate can take place imo. I have however, come to the conclusion that I think you are not going to get anywhere trying to get these answers out of CD - as @chickens says above.

I have found @lasvegan easy to converse with and seems at least open to flexible thinking and has coherency and objectivity in his posts but apart from that, who else is there on NSC that confesses to being a Trump supporter? Finding a Trump supporter who can articulate intelligent policy reasons why they support Trump is a tough ask frankly imo even beyond the forum because Trump himself is not a rational orator and his personal proclivities tend to drown out any considered response to what he is saying about policy. I highlighted above why I thought Trump has so much support and that’s because I believe he appeals to the darker angels and selfish aspects of human behaviour but I also said above that Trump supporters have genuine concerns so polarising the debate between Trump and Biden by being abusive or dismissive about their respective supporters is not helpful. Both Biden and Trump supporters are doing this.

Both sides need to be prepared to listen otherwise you push people into further entrenchment of their ideas and the possibility for change is lost - I remain unconvinced that America, as polarised as it is now, still has the capacity to ‘listen’ to those on the opposite side of the political divide - not as the voting public nor as political leaders.

I was going to take a couple of days off of this thread, but you buttered me up with your kind words, so here I am. Half of my friends have completely opposite views to myself, but we remain friends anyway. We just agree to disagree.

 

[Stat Brother]

It’s really not that complicated, just idealogical. Trump may be a bad man, but I also believe Biden (or whoever is running him) is a bad man. Which brings up another serious question, we don’t really know who is, do we? It is obvious he no longer has the mental acuity to be the leader of the “free world”, in which case why would someone even consider voting for him?

I know that people think the Republican Party has gone far right, but I also believe the Democrat Party is now far left, socialist even. I just want to live my life as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible, nothing more, nothing less. I want nothing to do with Socialism, and that’s where the democrats are taking us. If I voice an opinion, or post something from a conservative site, I just get told my opinions are worthless as the source is untrustworthy. You can’t have a debate when people aren’t interested in the other side of the story.

You've written quite a lot that can easily be picked at but:-

is obvious he no longer has the mental acuity to be the leader of the “free world”, in which case why would someone even consider voting for him?

is where the whole house of cards falls down.
I'd let it pass were it not for the mental acuity of your man animosity

Which I'd suggest is THE main point to all of this.

 

[One Love]

It’s really not that complicated, just idealogical. Trump may be a bad man, but I also believe Biden (or whoever is running him) is a bad man.
I know that people think the Republican Party has gone far right, but I also believe the Democrat Party is now far left, socialist even. I just want to live my life as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible, nothing more, nothing less.

Firstly you cannot compare Trump to Biden.

Just take it from the facts, grab 'em by the p, paying off porn stars, multiple court cases, not paying workers etc etc etc.

Ok you might think Biden is a bad man, Hunter's laptop, sniffing kids or whatever bollocks but they are are in no comparison to all the stuff we think we know about Trump.

To compare the two as "bad man" is ridiculous.

To protect your ideology, presumably pretty far right, so you care about nobody but you and yours, you are prepared to let a egotistic man child become president again where he'll probably have carte blanche to do whatever he wants.

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

 

[Bodian]

It’s really not that complicated, just idealogical. Trump may be a bad man, but I also believe Biden (or whoever is running him) is a bad man. Which brings up another serious question, we don’t really know who is, do we? It is obvious he no longer has the mental acuity to be the leader of the “free world”, in which case why would someone even consider voting for him?

I know that people think the Republican Party has gone far right, but I also believe the Democrat Party is now far left, socialist even. I just want to live my life as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible, nothing more, nothing less. I want nothing to do with Socialism, and that’s where the democrats are taking us. If I voice an opinion, or post something from a conservative site, I just get told my opinions are worthless as the source is untrustworthy. You can’t have a debate when people aren’t interested in the other side of the story.

You've written quite a lot that can easily be picked at but:-

is obvious he no longer has the mental acuity to be the leader of the “free world”, in which case why would someone even consider voting for him?

is where the whole house of cards falls down.
I'd let it pass were it not for the mental acuity of your man animosity

Which I'd suggest is THE main point to all of this.

The thing for me is that it is not just the President themselves that are important - it's all that comes along with them. No-one person really makes all the decisions (apart maybe from Putin), but shapes the direction and decision making of those along with them and working with them.

And that's where the vast difference is between Biden and Trump for me. Biden could gradually go senile, but the general direction of travel wold remain the same and guided by his overall beliefs. Same with Trump - except diametrically the opposite direction of travel. And it's why anyone would choose the latter direction that puzzles me.

 

[herecomesaregular]

It’s really not that complicated, just idealogical. Trump may be a bad man, but I also believe Biden (or whoever is running him) is a bad man. Which brings up another serious question, we don’t really know who is, do we? It is obvious he no longer has the mental acuity to be the leader of the “free world”, in which case why would someone even consider voting for him?

I know that people think the Republican Party has gone far right, but I also believe the Democrat Party is now far left, socialist even. I just want to live my life as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible, nothing more, nothing less. I want nothing to do with Socialism, and that’s where the democrats are taking us. If I voice an opinion, or post something from a conservative site, I just get told my opinions are worthless as the source is untrustworthy. You can’t have a debate when people aren’t interested in the other side of the story.

Nutshell. Laughable that Americans consider Democrats as Socialist. wtf. Has there ever been a nation more paranoid about any governance?

 

[Hugo Rune]

Whenever you (or others) post the HILARIOUS term "TDS" it makes me think of this.



What will Trump have to do, beyond all the stupid, harmful and offensive things he's done to date, for you to stop believing in him?

This is a great cover of CoP.



I’ve heard the mantra preached, many times, on why Americans love Trump. Those that adore the Orange Blob do so because he is ‘like’ them it’s frequently claimed.

1. Loud.
2. Overweight.
3. Obnoxious
4. Arrogant
5. Narcissistic
6. Dishonest
Etc