Agreed ..... much like Mr Beckham ..... villain turned hero !
Doesn't look good for the terrorist Mandela
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Agreed ..... much like Mr Beckham ..... villain turned hero !
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Great man, Great dog
Dr JCL
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- Jul 18, 2011
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Fight it, don't...
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
Call him what you like, but he saved South Africa from disaster. For example:
13 April 1993:
"Tonight I am reaching out to every single South African, black and white, from the very depths of my being.
A white man, full of prejudice and hate, came to our country and committed a deed so foul that our whole nation now teeters on the brink of disaster.
A white woman, of Afrikaner origin, risked her life so that we may know, and bring to justice, this assassin.
The cold-blooded murder of Chris Hani has sent shock waves throughout the country and the world. Our grief and anger is tearing us apart.
What has happened is a national tragedy that has touched millions of people, across the political and colour divide.
Our shared grief and legitimate anger will find expression in nationwide commemorations that coincide with the funeral service.
Tomorrow, in many towns and villages, there will be memorial services to pay homage to one of the greatest revolutionaries this country has ever known.
Every service will open a Memorial Book for Freedom, in which all who want peace and democracy pledge their commitment.
Now is the time for all South Africans to stand together against those who, from any quarter, wish to destroy what Chris Hani gave his life for - the freedom of all of us.
Now is the time for our white compatriots, from whom messages of condolence continue to pour in, to reach out with an understanding of the grievous loss to our nation, to join in the memorial services and the funeral commemorations.
Now is the time for the police to act with sensitivity and restraint, to be real community policemen and women who serve the population as a whole. There must be no further loss of life at this tragic time.
This is a watershed moment for all of us.
Our decisions and actions will determine whether we use our pain, our grief and our outrage to move forward to what is the only lasting solution for our country - an elected government of the people, by the people and for the people.
We must not let the men who worship war, and who lust after blood, precipitate actions that will plunge our country into another Angola.
Chris Hani was a soldier. He believed in iron discipline. He carried out instructions to the letter. He practised what he preached.
Any lack of discipline is trampling on the values that Chris Hani stood for. Those who commit such acts serve only the interests of the assassins, and desecrate his memory.
When we, as one people, act together decisively, with discipline and determination, nothing can stop us.
Let us honour this soldier for peace in a fitting manner. Let us rededicate ourselves to bringing about the democracy he fought for all his life; democracy that will bring real, tangible changes in the lives of the working people, the poor, the jobless, the landless.
Chris Hani is irreplaceable in the heart of our nation and people.
When he first returned to South Africa after three decades in exile, he said: "I have lived with death most of my life. I want to live in a free South Africa even if I have to lay down my life for it". The body of Chris Hani will lie in State at the FNB Stadium, Soweto, from 12 noon on Sunday 18 April until the start of the vigil at 6pm. The funeral service will commence at 9am on Monday, 19th April. The cortege will leave for Boksburg Cemetery, where the burial is scheduled for 1pm.
These funeral service and rallies must be conducted with dignity.
We will give disciplined expression to our emotions at our pickets, prayer meetings and gatherings, in our homes, our churches and our schools. We will not be provoked into any rash actions.
We are a nation in mourning.
To the youth of South Africa we have a special message: you have lost a great hero. You have repeatedly shown that your love of freedom is greater than that most precious gift, life itself. But you are the leaders of tomorrow. Your country, your people, your organisation need you to act with wisdom. A particular responsibility rests on your shoulders.
We pay tribute to all our people for the courage and restraint they have shown in the face of such extreme provocation. We are sure this same indomitable spirit will carry us through the difficult days ahead.
Chris Hani has made the supreme sacrifice. The greatest tribute we can pay to his life`s work is to ensure we win that freedom for all our people."
13 April 1993:
"Tonight I am reaching out to every single South African, black and white, from the very depths of my being.
A white man, full of prejudice and hate, came to our country and committed a deed so foul that our whole nation now teeters on the brink of disaster.
A white woman, of Afrikaner origin, risked her life so that we may know, and bring to justice, this assassin.
The cold-blooded murder of Chris Hani has sent shock waves throughout the country and the world. Our grief and anger is tearing us apart.
What has happened is a national tragedy that has touched millions of people, across the political and colour divide.
Our shared grief and legitimate anger will find expression in nationwide commemorations that coincide with the funeral service.
Tomorrow, in many towns and villages, there will be memorial services to pay homage to one of the greatest revolutionaries this country has ever known.
Every service will open a Memorial Book for Freedom, in which all who want peace and democracy pledge their commitment.
Now is the time for all South Africans to stand together against those who, from any quarter, wish to destroy what Chris Hani gave his life for - the freedom of all of us.
Now is the time for our white compatriots, from whom messages of condolence continue to pour in, to reach out with an understanding of the grievous loss to our nation, to join in the memorial services and the funeral commemorations.
Now is the time for the police to act with sensitivity and restraint, to be real community policemen and women who serve the population as a whole. There must be no further loss of life at this tragic time.
This is a watershed moment for all of us.
Our decisions and actions will determine whether we use our pain, our grief and our outrage to move forward to what is the only lasting solution for our country - an elected government of the people, by the people and for the people.
We must not let the men who worship war, and who lust after blood, precipitate actions that will plunge our country into another Angola.
Chris Hani was a soldier. He believed in iron discipline. He carried out instructions to the letter. He practised what he preached.
Any lack of discipline is trampling on the values that Chris Hani stood for. Those who commit such acts serve only the interests of the assassins, and desecrate his memory.
When we, as one people, act together decisively, with discipline and determination, nothing can stop us.
Let us honour this soldier for peace in a fitting manner. Let us rededicate ourselves to bringing about the democracy he fought for all his life; democracy that will bring real, tangible changes in the lives of the working people, the poor, the jobless, the landless.
Chris Hani is irreplaceable in the heart of our nation and people.
When he first returned to South Africa after three decades in exile, he said: "I have lived with death most of my life. I want to live in a free South Africa even if I have to lay down my life for it". The body of Chris Hani will lie in State at the FNB Stadium, Soweto, from 12 noon on Sunday 18 April until the start of the vigil at 6pm. The funeral service will commence at 9am on Monday, 19th April. The cortege will leave for Boksburg Cemetery, where the burial is scheduled for 1pm.
These funeral service and rallies must be conducted with dignity.
We will give disciplined expression to our emotions at our pickets, prayer meetings and gatherings, in our homes, our churches and our schools. We will not be provoked into any rash actions.
We are a nation in mourning.
To the youth of South Africa we have a special message: you have lost a great hero. You have repeatedly shown that your love of freedom is greater than that most precious gift, life itself. But you are the leaders of tomorrow. Your country, your people, your organisation need you to act with wisdom. A particular responsibility rests on your shoulders.
We pay tribute to all our people for the courage and restraint they have shown in the face of such extreme provocation. We are sure this same indomitable spirit will carry us through the difficult days ahead.
Chris Hani has made the supreme sacrifice. The greatest tribute we can pay to his life`s work is to ensure we win that freedom for all our people."
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Not at all. Post-apartheid South Africa came into being as a result of Mandela's commitment and ability to negotiate a democratic constitution based on votes for all citizens.
Tom Bombadil
Well-known member
I believe Rex may have been referring to himself rather than Nelson Mandela.
RexCathedra
Aurea Mediocritas
Titus
Come on!
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,316
Jans Kubis and Josef Gabcik were also labelled terrorists by the 3rd Reich for killing Heydrich. Heroes to the rest of us though, so very much a state thing who is a terrorist and who isn't.
crodonilson
He/Him
I think he's a bit of a legend, so much so that we named a gnome Nelson in the garden in his honour.
brakespear
Doctor Worm
m20gull
Well-known member
Interesting definition. I reckon that makes Hitler and the Brownshirts freedom fighters.
pork pie
New member
Clearly he is a great statesman, as I posted earlier. It could have so easily become another Rhodesia with the different tribes figting each other, and both brutalising white farmers and their workers, and stealing their land and possessions that they have worked so hard for generations to carve out of a wilderness.
In terms of what he has achieved, can you remind me what the "Rainbow Nation's" reaction was to a miners strike recently?
daveinprague
New member
Probably the same outcome that would have occurred during the miners strike during the Thatcher years had our police been armed....
Not sure what thats got to do with anything really, theres been a lot worse occuring around the world with new countries that have emerged...at least a savage bloodbath civil war was avoided.
I certainly remember watching laughing afrikaans police shooting children during a protest during the apartheid years...
pork pie
New member
That should be MRS Thatcher to people like you! The point is, that the country still has a long way to go before Mandela's dream becomes a reality. Since he has dropped from power, it has become like Animal Farm, with the Pigs being ANC leaders.
daveinprague
New member
Mrs?..haha..yeah ok... ..
The leaders of SA have been a product of a racist regime...you reap what you sew...it will take generations to recover
The leaders of SA have been a product of a racist regime...you reap what you sew...it will take generations to recover
pork pie
New member
Either that or they have learned very quickly from the other corrupt leaders in Black Africa?
daveinprague
New member
I think they learned plenty from the Afrikaans govt.....
pork pie
New member
What a load of bollox. It has nothing to do with the West. It is how they behave naturally. When I was on my MBA course, we were asked to give lectures to our fellow students. A lad from The Ivory Coast, who claimed to be a tribal prince, gave a lecture on how to do business in his country, who to deal with and the going rate for bribes! Lest we forget, who sold loads of their people into slavery?