Fulham....£10.5 million...McCormack....guaranteed promotion?
Do you think TB will allow CH to spend big on players this summer
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Fulham....£10.5 million...McCormack....guaranteed promotion?
London Irish
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I disagree - he has done it three times - £2mill or near - with CMS, Ulloa and Baldock. He just did it badly with 2 out of the 3.
He needs to do it again AND get his team of Moneyball stats researchers to properly earn their own money this time.
London Irish
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Yawn - this is tired stuff. You can spend another 100 pages talking about expensive flops and inexpensive genuises if you like. But you know you'll be dodging the real issue, do we massively increase our chances by spending some money and spending it well
I don't reject any correlation, and have spreadsheets that show there is an analogy between wage bills and league position (although the correlation in this division is by far the weakest of the main divisions in Europe).
QPR spent £76 million on wages last season, compared to the Albion's £21 million, and they only just scraped through the playoffs. If you want us to compete, where should the extra £50m plus come from? It works out at about £2,000 per fan. How many would be willing to pay that?
OK, but are you willing to spend an extra £2,000 on a season ticket next season?
Publius Ovidius
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My concern with Stephens as he appears to be injury prone...want that one of the reasons we got him fairly cheap from Charlton? We have had a string of injury prone midfielders...Orlandi, Stephens, crofts, kemi Vicente etc. I suppose it comes with the territory that the really fit players who are half decent will be swallowed up by the premiership sides and then like tex will be looked to be loaned out.
I really do hope we can sort out a team of at least 20 players who are all of ours and only really look to use loanees if we had an injury crisis or were finding it particularly difficult to fill a place in the team, say a cover for a full back.
Philzo-93
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I picked other.
It's not the fact that the chairman will or will not splash the cash but it is fair to say that our problem with transfer policy was Burke. It just didn't work.
Now Hughton has more power than Hyypia, Garcia and Poyet (in his latter stages at the club) in how transfers are dealt it will be more to do with how the manager approaches it. Hughton has dealt with similar budgets and been very successful with that, it's just the question of will he do it with us next season?
Is it complicated? Well no because the simple answer to that it was all (or at the very least 90%) of transfers gone by was Burke's fault.
It's not the fact that the chairman will or will not splash the cash but it is fair to say that our problem with transfer policy was Burke. It just didn't work.
Now Hughton has more power than Hyypia, Garcia and Poyet (in his latter stages at the club) in how transfers are dealt it will be more to do with how the manager approaches it. Hughton has dealt with similar budgets and been very successful with that, it's just the question of will he do it with us next season?
Is it complicated? Well no because the simple answer to that it was all (or at the very least 90%) of transfers gone by was Burke's fault.
symyjym
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It's not about spending big, it's about doing good business.
Marshy
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We are a strikers graveyard, with the exception of Ulloa we can make any striker shit.
London Irish
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The QPR stuff another meaningless distraction. I really hope you don't set your students these pointless exercises
But pleased you concede the principal point. What would be a constructive discussion now is how much we should spend to help buy us into that positive correlation you cite.
I maintain something in the region of the £3m purchase of Callum Wilson (someone like him) could catapult us into where Bmuff are now - contending for auto promotion - together with more lower cost canny purchases and free transfers
If you mean spend a lot of money on a League 1 striker with no experience in this division and one good season in League 1, we have done that, more than once. It's a lottery, and being wise with (a) hindsight and (b) someone else's money is a piece of cake.
London Irish
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Nah, you're just giving up and saying spending money is a waste of time as another argumentative empty gesture - something your own admittance of a correlation between spending and success showed wasn't true. The only thing we can draw from this is you should stick to the spreadsheets and don't ever apply to our scouting structure.
B52
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If we can find on as good as Wayne Bridge then yes please!
We have spent money, the wage bill for the last two seasons was the highest in the history of the club. As for the correlation, it's between wages and end of season position, and as I pointed out, this division has the weakest correlation.
As for the constant snide comments, you do yourself no favours.
London Irish
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I'm sorry, but you are a windbag. Stop with the ceaseless flow of non sequiturs on here and you'll get more love, from me at least.
When you can't debate with facts, you resort to insults. As a financial journalist I thought you would be better than that.
Machiavelli
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Yes, please do. We signed Murray about 6 years ago and managed to **** up with his departure too, which is very galling.. The other examples are exceptions, as you well know. Look at our track record with cheap or loan strikers and then at how many of the clubs that are challenging in the Championship have these bargain strikers. Yes of course it would be great to get one but if the club are basing their striker recruitment on unearthing a gem that is cheap and up to this division then I won't be holding my breath about next season.
Are you actually employed by the club?? I suspect that you might be
Sorry Icy, but Jem is on much firmer ground than you on this thread. While he does seem like an outpost from the club's marketing department at times, you've been in a right strop for a while now.
Let's take Middlesborough, who not only have a number of midfield players scoring goals (Leadbetter, Clayton and Adomah), but also have four goalscoring forwards. Of these, the ones with the highest fees have actually performed less well than those that haven't:
Kike c£3m
Vossen costly loan
Bamford loan
Tomlin not so much
Or you could take Ighalo at Watford.
I'm sure that the wages on offer is going to be far more important than transfer fee.
deslynhamsmoustache1
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I believe Tony will fulfill CH wish list this summer. Money in football does not necessary buy success but it don't half go a long way in helping. You want the best players, they in turn want to earn the best money.......etc etc. Our problem with strikers (less Ulloa) is that we play them in a system that is total counter to their previous successes, ie, CMS and Baldock as loan hunters. they are not and probably never will be. Defence needs a major overhaul, offer Calde one year deal mainly as a back up as he looks to take a roll in the academy/coaching. Greer is shot and will need replacing, midfield is sound with Ince hopefully developing even further. If money was in abundance would replace Stockdale with Al habsi, but I think wages would be prohibitive. But in a nutshell, TB will spash the cash for CH.
To be fair none of us have been happy chappies with what has been served up week after week.