Do we need a new party to reflect the working people of Britain?

[Buzzer]

True. The world's oldest profession has no upper age limits.

I was thinking more about police, fire, teachers, miners, labourers, nurses, plumbers etc etc...tough jobs to do at 70

Ah. Hang on. They still have their own specific retirement ages. I was meaning in general for state pensions.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

So it's ok for a fireman to retire at 52 after 30 years service, but a plumber with no public sector pension has to wait a further 18 years till he's 70 to get anything back from the State?

 

[Buzzer]

So it's ok for a fireman to retire at 52 after 30 years service, but a plumber with no public sector pension has to wait a further 18 years till he's 70 to get anything back from the State?

I see what you mean. Difficult one and not something I know enough about to give you an answer. Sorry.

 

[Gwylan]

So it's ok for a fireman to retire at 52 after 30 years service, but a plumber with no public sector pension has to wait a further 18 years till he's 70 to get anything back from the State?

There are always going to be a few anomalies (and I'm not claiming to be a pensions expert nor do I have a complete range of figures) but I do know life expectancy is rising at an ever faster rate - there are some biologists who claim that the first 200-year-old has already been born - and that there is going to be a larger percentage of people in the 70s and 80s.

It may well be that firefighters retire later, it may be a new type of semi-private pension is launched, it may be that there are special tax concessions for the over-65s - I don't know. But I do know that an economy where, say, 25% of the population work to support 75% is unsustainable. And if we continue at current rates of life expectancy, that could be the situation by the end of the century.

Unless we all go Logan's Run of course...

 

[Soulman]

Tell you something, if Labour get back in it won't be because they have earned it. What is the best Milliband came come up with at the moment, his argument against Zero hour contracts. Are those words really enough to persuade people to go back and vote Labour? Trouble with Labour, they have become so concerned with political correctness, it really has effected how they get their message across to the general public. I certainly wont be voting Labour again for various reasons.

Anybody but Labour. Ruined this country.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...mic-radicals-infiltrate-the-Labour-Party.html

 

[5Ways Gull]

Interesting article in the Guardian today suggesting that the time might be right for the formation of a UKIP style party for the left. Come on you NSC politicos! Fedup with the ineffectiveness of middle-ground labour politics? Would you join/support such a party? and ditto you Tory middle-ground ers, has UKIP's time come?

One aspect that I haven't seen mentioned is the power of the press. I always thought that that Blair's time in office had a lot to do with him cosying up with Murdoch and his rags and almost becoming Thatcher in drag? However times are changing, does the press wield as much power as it used to in these days of social networking?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Interesting article in the Guardian today suggesting that the time might be right for the formation of a UKIP style party for the left. Come on you NSC politicos! Fedup with the ineffectiveness of middle-ground labour politics? Would you join/support such a party? and ditto you Tory middle-ground ers, has UKIP's time come?

I'm intrigued - why does being a worker mean you should have left views ?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Tine to embrace Libertarianism and look after yaselves,not rely on the Government to hold peoples hands

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

People should take a close look at Poland. One of the economic success stories of the last twenty odd years and with the exception of the terrible twins pretty much led by a social democrat left-leaning government. Its been the right-wing governments that have been suffering the most the last six or so years.

 

[Dandyman]

Not true, surely. They were very much a socialist country with a command economy, nationailsed industries, politicisation of the education system, breaking of debt-interest 'slavery' - the only thing that prevented him nationalising the banks were, in his words, that he's already nationalised the people.

Sorry, mate, but totally disagree. Hitler along with other fascist leaders was put in power by the bankers and big capitalists. Fritz Thyssen, who controlled one the biggest streel producers in the Ruhr, met with General Eric Ludendorff in October 1923, Thyssen was advised to go and hear Adolf Hitler speak. He did this and was so impressed he began to finance the Nazi Party.

Thyssen inherited his father's fortune in 1926. He continued to expand and in 1928 formed United Steelworks, a company that controlled more that 75 per cent of Germany's ore reserves and employed 200,000 people.

By 1930 Thyssen was one of the leading backers of the Nazi Party. The following year he recruited Hjalmar Schacht to the cause and in November, 1932, the two men joined with other industrialists in signing the letter that urged Paul von Hindenburg to appoint Adolf Hitler as chancellor.

p.s. and yes I do think we need a new left wing party to replace our U.S. style parody of democracy.

 

[Simster]

Sorry, mate, but totally disagree. Hitler along with other fascist leaders was put in power by the bankers and big capitalists. Fritz Thyssen, who controlled one the biggest streel producers in the Ruhr, met with General Eric Ludendorff in October 1923, Thyssen was advised to go and hear Adolf Hitler speak. He did this and was so impressed he began to finance the Nazi Party.

Thyssen inherited his father's fortune in 1926. He continued to expand and in 1928 formed United Steelworks, a company that controlled more that 75 per cent of Germany's ore reserves and employed 200,000 people.

By 1930 Thyssen was one of the leading backers of the Nazi Party. The following year he recruited Hjalmar Schacht to the cause and in November, 1932, the two men joined with other industrialists in signing the letter that urged Paul von Hindenburg to appoint Adolf Hitler as chancellor.

p.s. and yes I do think we need a new left wing party to replace our U.S. style parody of democracy.

But economically, he was fairly socialist. Didn't he rebuild the economy by encouraging growth in the road network and by building an enormous arms industry?

 

[Dandyman]

But economically, he was fairly socialist. Didn't he rebuild the economy by encouraging growth in the road network and by building an enormous arms industry?

You could stretch a point and say that was Keynesian but "guns before butter" was one of the Nazi slogans and the expansion of the economy was structured around Hitler's dream of the Greater Reich and lebensraum in the east,

 

[Titanic]

We don't need a new left wing party... but with 52% of LABOUR supporters thinking Ed Miliband is a poor leader... I rather suspect they need a new leader... again.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Its been the right-wing governments that have been suffering the most the last six or so years.

What, like Greece and Spain?

 

[Goldstone76]

An honest one would be a great start!

 

[looney]

One aspect that I haven't seen mentioned is the power of the press. I always thought that that Blair's time in office had a lot to do with him cosying up with Murdoch and his rags and almost becoming Thatcher in drag? However times are changing, does the press wield as much power as it used to in these days of social networking?

Are you so feeble minded and malable that you can be led by the nose by the Press? and if not why do you assume other people are?

 

[looney]

But economically, he was fairly socialist. Didn't he rebuild the economy by encouraging growth in the road network and by building an enormous arms industry?

He was Luddite, he stripped technology out of sections of the economy, gave unemployed men spades to build motorways rather than use diggers, similar to Mao so totally socialist. Hitler was elected and not bought in by capitalists, that is just typical rubbish that Dandyman posts. You may as well blame the Protestant Bishops, even though Hitler was a Catholic he continually courted them for support.

 

[Guinness Boy]

He was Luddite, he stripped technology out of sections of the economy, gave unemployed men spades to build motorways rather than use diggers, similar to Mao so totally socialist. Hitler was elected and not bought in by capitalists, that is just typical rubbish that Dandyman posts. You may as well blame the Protestant Bishops, even though Hitler was a Catholic he continually courted them for support.

Actually what he posted was a succession of facts, names and dates whereas what you posted was a fairly general assumption followed by a nose thumbing.

Care to debunk the points one by one?

 

[Dandyman]

He was Luddite, he stripped technology out of sections of the economy, gave unemployed men spades to build motorways rather than use diggers, similar to Mao so totally socialist. Hitler was elected and not bought in by capitalists, that is just typical rubbish that Dandyman posts. You may as well blame the Protestant Bishops, even though Hitler was a Catholic he continually courted them for support.

Learn some history - Hitler failed to gain a majority of votes. He was made Chancellor by the German ruling classes.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Learn some history - Hitler failed to gain a majority of votes. He was made Chancellor by the German ruling classes.

and we still have the VW to prove it
regards
DR