Do we need a new party to reflect the working people of Britain?

[Return of the Rev]

we got one its called conservatives who represent all walks of life try and have sensible agenda want business to do well so they employee more workers who pay taxes to pay for hospitals police schools etc and try and keep taxes down. Oh sorry that's not sensible lets have someone from the far left or right and ruin the country ! Up the ablion. Funny enough i believe in unions!

sort the pot holes out you old git

 

[blue2]

It's time to smash the two party system with...

Bring back the Gang of Four. All is forgiven!


(Centrists at the time, their policies would actually be considered left-wing these days).

Were the SDP 20 years to soon

 

[beorhthelm]

On the noggin. No right wing leaning people give a crap about anyone but themselves and all lefties are altruists.

thats quite an unfortunate point of view. "right wing leaning people" do care about others, they too want to see them improve individually and as part of wider society, its the methods and means by which that happens thats different.

 

[GreersElbow]

I think the left are quite organised but tend to do protesting on an issue by issue basis.

The left is plagued with sectarianism and different ideology as opposed to pragmatism. This means main issues they want to address are then challenged by their peers within their left circle and they get no where.

I use to be a member of the Socialist Party of England and Wales and remember a cross-party conference in 2011 and my god, the 'debate' eventually turned into ad-hominem and the real issue was then completely ignored.

 

[MICK PATCHAM]

Labour is over ....deserted the white working class with Blair ...even the unions are deserting the sinking ship ....Australia is a sign of the wind change .UKIP

 

[BBassic]

Something like this?

http://leftunity.org/

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

We need a crack team of late 70s and early 80s music fans to distill the songs of The Jam and The Style Council and translate Weller's lyrics into practical policy to move this country forward.

 

[The Birdman]

sort the pot holes out you old git

That's one thing we getting done in the Heath can't talk for the rest of Sussex

 

[BLOCK F]

Do we need a new party of the left to represent the working people of this country?
First question;what working people? I thought most people were working people.
Please,no more leftist parties.Socialism does not work, and anyway,general elections are won on the middle ground.
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[Footsoldier]

Socialism is the future, but it cannot and will not happen under representative democracy.

I don't think there is a democratic solution anymore - All we can do is patiently wait until capitalism inevitably fails and there is a Marxist revolution !

Right wing politics is the way to main order in the word.Labour party remind me of those nut casces in independent day when you have the raving loony left welcoming the aliens then they bomb them to bits.

If the left had there way they'd have Osma of head of state for britain.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Were the SDP 20 years to soon

Spot on...

 

[Buzzer]

Absolutely we do NOT need a new left-wing party. All this will do is attract the nutters from the fringes of the existing left-wing splinter groups who will see an opportunity to peddle their revolutionary bollocks. Look at the circus of horrors that makes up UKIP high command for instance. Is that what you want in this new party you're suggesting?

What we need is a new way of thinking that isn't left nor right. Politicians of all parties have let us down because it's now a professional class within its own right. How many parliamentarians have had real jobs outside of politics? We desperately need to get people in power speak our language and who understand what the problems are.

It can be done. The Reykjavik mayor (basically the head honcho after the Icelandic Prime Minister) is a comedian who was sick of all politics and wanted a change. The same in Italy. I'm not suggesting Joe Pasquale for Prime Minister over here but a political party made up of non-politicians who can see beyond the left/right wing bollocks that we have at the moment. The people of Italy and Iceland are, like us, just asking for honesty and a comprehension of what the problems we face are.

I'm a disenfranchised Tory, an old-fashioned One Nation Tory who will not and cannot vote for the Tories again because I just don't trust nor believe them. I have Labour supporting friends who feel the same way about their party and although our politics are different we agree that we would love to see someone with real principles and a sense of fairness have a go at running things.

My own circumstances are that I will probably vote Caroline Lucas in the next General Election because I think she gets it and she does have principles. I don't agree with those at all (the Greens are essentially a socialist party and an anathema to me) but I'd rather see her represent me than another party apparatchik from Labour or the Tories. Admittedly it does help that she hasn't got pressure to tow a party line because she is in a gang of one but that gives her freedom to say it as she sees it. God forbid, that party ever take power though!

I'm so fed up to the back teeth of all these professional union officials, advisers, spin doctors, lawyers, sons and daughters of politicians leading us so weakly and so badly. We do need change but real change not just this tinkering that I believe a new Labour splinter party would bring.

 

[The Legend that IS Lawro]

We need a crack team of late 70s and early 80s music fans to distill the songs of The Jam and The Style Council and translate Weller's lyrics into practical policy to move this country forward.

Very much this, with 'The Whole Point of No Return' as the manifesto.

 

[Wilko]

Absolutely we do NOT need a new left-wing party. All this will do is attract the nutters from the fringes of the existing left-wing splinter groups who will see an opportunity to peddle their revolutionary bollocks. Look at the circus of horrors that makes up UKIP high command for instance. Is that what you want in this new party you're suggesting?

What we need is a new way of thinking that isn't left nor right. Politicians of all parties have let us down because it's now a professional class within its own right. How many parliamentarians have had real jobs outside of politics? We desperately need to get people in power speak our language and who understand what the problems are.

It can be done. The Reykjavik mayor (basically the head honcho after the Icelandic Prime Minister) is a comedian who was sick of all politics and wanted a change. The same in Italy. I'm not suggesting Joe Pasquale for Prime Minister over here but a political party made up of non-politicians who can see beyond the left/right wing bollocks that we have at the moment. The people of Italy and Iceland are, like us, just asking for honesty and a comprehension of what the problems we face are.

I'm a disenfranchised Tory, an old-fashioned One Nation Tory who will not and cannot vote for the Tories again because I just don't trust nor believe them. I have Labour supporting friends who feel the same way about their party and although our politics are different we agree that we would love to see someone with real principles and a sense of fairness have a go at running things.

My own circumstances are that I will probably vote Caroline Lucas in the next General Election because I think she gets it and she does have principles. I don't agree with those at all (the Greens are essentially a socialist party and an anathema to me) but I'd rather see her represent me than another party apparatchik from Labour or the Tories. Admittedly it does help that she hasn't got pressure to tow a party line because she is in a gang of one but that gives her freedom to say it as she sees it. God forbid, that party ever take power though!

I'm so fed up to the back teeth of all these professional union officials, advisers, spin doctors, lawyers, sons and daughters of politicians leading us so weakly and so badly. We do need change but real change not just this tinkering that I believe a new Labour splinter party would bring.

This is spot on Lee. The current political parties reflect about 1% of the population through their blinkered career politics. It is madness that we have an education secretary making decisions who has little to no experience in education for example. If I had to vote tomorrow I would honestly not have a clue what to do, I have always traditionally voted Labour but Milliband et al do nothing to inspire me or reflect my beliefs.

 

[BLOCK F]

Absolutely we do NOT need a new left-wing party. All this will do is attract the nutters from the fringes of the existing left-wing splinter groups who will see an opportunity to peddle their revolutionary bollocks. Look at the circus of horrors that makes up UKIP high command for instance. Is that what you want in this new party you're suggesting?

What we need is a new way of thinking that isn't left nor right. Politicians of all parties have let us down because it's now a professional class within its own right. How many parliamentarians have had real jobs outside of politics? We desperately need to get people in power speak our language and who understand what the problems are.

It can be done. The Reykjavik mayor (basically the head honcho after the Icelandic Prime Minister) is a comedian who was sick of all politics and wanted a change. The same in Italy. I'm not suggesting Joe Pasquale for Prime Minister over here but a political party made up of non-politicians who can see beyond the left/right wing bollocks that we have at the moment. The people of Italy and Iceland are, like us, just asking for honesty and a comprehension of what the problems we face are.




I'm a disenfranchised Tory, an old-fashioned One Nation Tory who will not and cannot vote for the Tories again because I just don't trust nor believe them. I have Labour supporting friends who feel the same way about their party and although our politics are different we agree that we would love to see someone with real principles and a sense of fairness have a go at running things.

My own circumstances are that I will probably vote Caroline Lucas in the next General Election because I think she gets it and she does have principles. I don't agree with those at all (the Greens are essentially a socialist party and an anathema to me) but I'd rather see her represent me than another party apparatchik from Labour or the Tories. Admittedly it does help that she hasn't got pressure to tow a party line because she is in a gang of one but that gives her freedom to say it as she sees it. God forbid, that party ever take power though!

I'm so fed up to the back teeth of all these professional union officials, advisers, spin doctors, lawyers, sons and daughters of politicians leading us so weakly and so badly. We do need change but real change not just this tinkering that I believe a new Labour splinter party would bring.
BLOCK F REPLY(DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO QUOTE HIGHLIGHT...SORRY
Agree with much you have said,but baulked at your vote for Caroline Lucas.Didn't you mention something about nutters,fringes and revolutionary bollocks.
Oh well,thankfully there is only one Green M.P.and maybe none come the next election.I would hate to see a whole load of them;as you allude to that really would be nutters and bollocks!

 

[Buzzer]

Socialism is the future

Really, it isn't and especially not in the UK. Marx and Engels got the country wrong nearly 150 years ago with that proposal. And Capitalism fails every day, it's the nature of the beast - for every winner there's a loser. But it works well and a capitalist economy with the right social checks and measure seems to produce fairer and more prosperous societies than those that claim to be anti-captalist,

 

[Gwylan]

Absolutely we do NOT need a new left-wing party. All this will do is attract the nutters from the fringes of the existing left-wing splinter groups who will see an opportunity to peddle their revolutionary bollocks. Look at the circus of horrors that makes up UKIP high command for instance. Is that what you want in this new party you're suggesting?

What we need is a new way of thinking that isn't left nor right. Politicians of all parties have let us down because it's now a professional class within its own right. How many parliamentarians have had real jobs outside of politics? We desperately need to get people in power speak our language and who understand what the problems are.

Wise words Buzzer. I'm from the opposite side - a disillusioned Labour voter. I haven't voted for them since 1992, ever since they seem to have formed the policy "These are my principles, if you don't like them, I have some others".

I wouldn't vote for the UKIP in a fit, but they're onto something with their demands for politicians to have done something with their lives. At the moment, they join the party at school, schmooze their way up the chain, go to Oxbridge and do something in the Union, come out and get a job at a think-tank or as a researcher until they can find a safe seat: as Kipling would have said, what do they know of politics, if only politics know? I remember when MPs had jobs before becoming an MP, some still do, but they're a minority.

I also think that the current system implants a sense of short-termism that infects the whole country, everything is geared up to winning in five years time and to hell with the consequences. For example, it's plain that the pension age needs to be raised radically - life expectancy is about 20 years more than when the 65 limit was agreed, but it just gets raised by a year or two. That's because no-one wants to be the party that breaks the bad news. Another example is PFI, crippling for the country in the long term but with massive short-term benefits. It's totally crazy, the Portsmouth FC approach to government spending.

All that's going to happen is that people will get more and more cynical about politicians and I fear that, sooner or later, the nutters of UKIP or even the BNP will start getting MPs elected - it's not going to be pretty.

 

[bernster]

Absolutely we do NOT need a new left-wing party. All this will do is attract the nutters from the fringes of the existing left-wing splinter groups who will see an opportunity to peddle their revolutionary bollocks. Look at the circus of horrors that makes up UKIP high command for instance. Is that what you want in this new party you're suggesting?

What we need is a new way of thinking that isn't left nor right. Politicians of all parties have let us down because it's now a professional class within its own right. How many parliamentarians have had real jobs outside of politics? We desperately need to get people in power speak our language and who understand what the problems are.

It can be done. The Reykjavik mayor (basically the head honcho after the Icelandic Prime Minister) is a comedian who was sick of all politics and wanted a change. The same in Italy. I'm not suggesting Joe Pasquale for Prime Minister over here but a political party made up of non-politicians who can see beyond the left/right wing bollocks that we have at the moment. The people of Italy and Iceland are, like us, just asking for honesty and a comprehension of what the problems we face are.

I'm a disenfranchised Tory, an old-fashioned One Nation Tory who will not and cannot vote for the Tories again because I just don't trust nor believe them. I have Labour supporting friends who feel the same way about their party and although our politics are different we agree that we would love to see someone with real principles and a sense of fairness have a go at running things.

My own circumstances are that I will probably vote Caroline Lucas in the next General Election because I think she gets it and she does have principles. I don't agree with those at all (the Greens are essentially a socialist party and an anathema to me) but I'd rather see her represent me than another party apparatchik from Labour or the Tories. Admittedly it does help that she hasn't got pressure to tow a party line because she is in a gang of one but that gives her freedom to say it as she sees it. God forbid, that party ever take power though!

I'm so fed up to the back teeth of all these professional union officials, advisers, spin doctors, lawyers, sons and daughters of politicians leading us so weakly and so badly. We do need change but real change not just this tinkering that I believe a new Labour splinter party would bring.

i agree with virtually all of this.there is a political elite in this country that have no regard for "ordinary" people,in fact they treat us with contempt.gordon browns treatment of the lady that expressed concern about immigration sums up how all of them think about the electorate regardless of the party they are in.

 

[BLOCK F]

Wise words Buzzer. I'm from the opposite side - a disillusioned Labour voter. I haven't voted for them since 1992, ever since they seem to have formed the policy "These are my principles, if you don't like them, I have some others".

I wouldn't vote for the UKIP in a fit, but they're onto something with their demands for politicians to have done something with their lives. At the moment, they join the party at school, schmooze their way up the chain, go to Oxbridge and do something in the Union, come out and get a job at a think-tank or as a researcher until they can find a safe seat: as Kipling would have said, what do they know of politics, if only politics know? I remember when MPs had jobs before becoming an MP, some still do, but they're a minority.

I also think that the current system implants a sense of short-termism that infects the whole country, everything is geared up to winning in five years time and to hell with the consequences. For example, it's plain that the pension age needs to be raised radically - life expectancy is about 20 years more than when the 65 limit was agreed, but it just gets raised by a year or two. That's because no-one wants to be the party that breaks the bad news. Another example is PFI, crippling for the country in the long term but with massive short-term benefits. It's totally crazy, the Portsmouth FC approach to government spending.

All that's going to happen is that people will get more and more cynical about politicians and I fear that, sooner or later, the nutters of UKIP or even the BNP will start getting MPs elected - it's not going to be pretty.

Yes,pension age does need to be raised and it has been.My wife will be 56 in about a week and her pension age has been increased from 60 to 66.At say£5500 a year that is quite a lot of dosh she won't be getting anytime soon.

 

[Gwylan]

Yes,pension age does need to be raised and it has been.My wife will be 56 in about a week and her pension age has been increased from 60 to 66.At say£5500 a year that is quite a lot of dosh she won't be getting anytime soon.

Women's pension age was raised because of a European court ruling, that's not what I was talking about. The age has been raised to 66, which is the age I'm scheduled to retire and then to 67. When pensions were first introduced, I believe that the pensionable age was above life expectancy - it's now about 12 to 15 years below