CORBYN, McDONNELL AND LIVINGSTONE.

[Questions]

You might want to take a look at this if you can get your blinkers off for long enough : https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/670213099006386176

Morning Alfred. He does not condone but explains why they did it. The others are the ones who are saying he is siding with the London bombers. Anyway it was Buckfast not White Lightening.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Jeremy Corbyn is expected to grant Labour MPs a free vote on extending UK air strikes against so-called Islamic State into Syria, the BBC understands.

But the Labour leader is believed to want his party to take a position of opposition to military action.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34967024

There's nothing like principled decisive leadership and this is nothing like decisive principled leadership.

The only way to have realistically prevented Cameron calling a vote to bomb ISIS in Syria was to insist on a Labour 3 line whip but it would appear attempting to keep a lid on party divisions is more important than principled opposition to air strikes.

Labours current position on War in Syria is depends who you ask

 

[Titanic]

Corbyn capitulates to the Labour MPs...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34967024

Jeremy Corbyn will grant Labour MPs a free vote on UK air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria.
BBC chief political correspondent Vicki Young said Mr Corbyn had wanted Labour to adopt a policy of opposition to air strikes, but was forced to back down by his shadow cabinet.
The leader was given a "thorough kicking" in the meeting, she was told.

 

[glasfryn]

Corbyn capitulates to the Labour MPs...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34967024

Jeremy Corbyn will grant Labour MPs a free vote on UK air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria.
BBC chief political correspondent Vicki Young said Mr Corbyn had wanted Labour to adopt a policy of opposition to air strikes, but was forced to back down by his shadow cabinet.
The leader was given a "thorough kicking" in the meeting, she was told.

and so it should be, I am hoping that each individual MP has been and asked his constituants their opinion and will vote accordingly ......................its called democracy.
my worry is that they have not consulted their constituants and get it wrong if this is the case they must expect to be considered for de-selection at some time.
I also wonder how many of the tory MP's consulted their constituants?

 

[Titanic]

and so it should be, I am hoping that each individual MP has been and asked his constituants their opinion and will vote accordingly ......................its called democracy.
my worry is that they have not consulted their constituants and get it wrong if this is the case they must expect to be considered for de-selection at some time.
I also wonder how many of the tory MP's consulted their constituants?

Wouldn't politics be more exciting if all votes in HoC were both 'free' and compulsory?

Perhaps nothing would get done, but it would be fun watching the individual MPs have to make up their own minds and go on the record one way or the other, rather than hide behind the party line.

 

[wellquickwoody]

my worry is that they have not consulted their constituants and get it wrong if this is the case they must expect to be considered for de-selection at some time.
I also wonder how many of the tory MP's consulted their constituants?

Leftie in trying to defend an indefensible argument shocker YET AGAIN!

Did your MP come knocking on your door asking which way he/she should vote in the budget debate?

Did they telephone you to get your opinion on the recent bill about cyber security?

Stop prevaricating when the argument is already lost, bit like the election there. As it happens I think Jesus has done the only thing he could do if he wanted to escape with ANY kind of standing in the PLP, the fact that the BBC is reporting that he has 'taken a good kicking' just shows that he is on borrowed time.

 

[glasfryn]

Leftie in trying to defend an indefensible argument shocker YET AGAIN!

Did your MP come knocking on your door asking which way he/she should vote in the budget debate?

Did they telephone you to get your opinion on the recent bill about cyber security?

Stop prevaricating when the argument is already lost, bit like the election there. As it happens I think Jesus has done the only thing he could do if he wanted to escape with ANY kind of standing in the PLP, the fact that the BBC is reporting that he has 'taken a good kicking' just shows that he is on borrowed time.

no she has not .....................................but then she is a tory and I would not expect anything else
good kicking eh!
wait till the shite hits the fan over the bullying ................and at least that tw@t Shapps has gone

EDIT please stop trying to deflect the arguement over to Labour ......sort you own party out first
and good luck with that one

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

We don't elect an MP so that they can consult us on every vote, or else we might as well have a referendum on every single issue. We vote for MPs that we think will make the right choice most of the time.

 

[glasfryn]

We don't elect an MP so that they can consult us on every vote, or else we might as well have a referendum on every single issue. We vote for MPs that we think will make the right choice most of the time.

not on questions as serious as going to war we/I don't

 

[wellquickwoody]

EDIT please stop trying to deflect the arguement over to Labour ......sort you own party out first
and good luck with that one

The party I support won an increased majority at the last general election just six months ago (you know, democracy and all that) and have around four and a half years left to govern, but if your shower of imbeciles continue in their current vein that could easily be nearly 10 years. They really don't seem to need much sorting out in their endeavours to improve the economy right now, the independent Office for Budget Responsibility found the 27 billion windfall for them.

You guys have been crying into your Morning Star ever since the election result, all bitter and twisted. Stop whinging and whining, to coin a phrase 'man up', sort your rabble out and come up with a credible alternative to the Tories, not some dreamer with a utopian vision of what the world COULD be like IF it were a nicer place. It ain't, get used to it.

 

[alfredmizen]

not on questions as serious as going to war we/I don't

Corbyn will only ever endorse a war if its against us and british soldiers being killed.

 

[Hastings gull]

no she has not .....................................but then she is a tory and I would not expect anything elsegood kicking eh!
wait till the shite hits the fan over the bullying ................and at least that tw@t Shapps has gone

EDIT please stop trying to deflect the arguement over to Labour ......sort you own party out first
and good luck with that one

It might be a good idea not to post at all instead of such nonsense. Why would a Labour MP be more likely to knock on your door than a Tory? Surely this would be down to the individual irrespective of any party loyalties.

 

[alfredmizen]

Morning Alfred. He does not condone but explains why they did it. The others are the ones who are saying he is siding with the London bombers. Anyway it was Buckfast not White Lightening.

Anyone who attempts to rationalise what they did is condoning it to some extent.

 

[drew]

Leftie in trying to defend an indefensible argument shocker YET AGAIN!

Did your MP come knocking on your door asking which way he/she should vote in the budget debate?

Did they telephone you to get your opinion on the recent bill about cyber security?

Stop prevaricating when the argument is already lost, bit like the election there. As it happens I think Jesus has done the only thing he could do if he wanted to escape with ANY kind of standing in the PLP, the fact that the BBC is reporting that he has 'taken a good kicking' just shows that he is on borrowed time.

You don't expect MPs to consult on every issue but when it is about potentially going to war and with the possibility of putting troops on the ground then they should be aware of what the mood is in their constituency. MPs don't just represent members of their parties, they represent their constituents.

Corbyn handled this all wrong. He is in all but name a pacifist but also principled. He was stupid to send the letter before the meeting today and even more stupid to let Abbott spout off in a way that was trying to drive the PLP into a position where they had to support Corbyn. A free vote (on all sides of the house) is the correct approach but Corbyn has lost face on an issue that should be above party politics. I think the Tories have also lost a bit of credibility as they have sought to make political gain out of Corbyn's ineptitude!

 

[Hampster Gull]

You don't expect MPs to consult on every issue but when it is about potentially going to war and with the possibility of putting troops on the ground then they should be aware of what the mood is in their constituency. MPs don't just represent members of their parties, they represent their constituents.

Corbyn handled this all wrong. He is in all but name a pacifist but also principled. He was stupid to send the letter before the meeting today and even more stupid to let Abbott spout off in a way that was trying to drive the PLP into a position where they had to support Corbyn. A free vote (on all sides of the house) is the correct approach but Corbyn has lost face on an issue that should be above party politics. I think the Tories have also lost a bit of credibility as they have sought to make political gain out of Corbyn's ineptitude!

I love the fact Corbyn was thinking about whether to make this a free vote yet he was the most ill disciplined MP under the whip

 

[drew]

The party I support won an increased majority at the last general election just six months ago (you know, democracy and all that) and have around four and a half years left to govern, but if your shower of imbeciles continue in their current vein that could easily be nearly 10 years. They really don't seem to need much sorting out in their endeavours to improve the economy right now, the independent Office for Budget Responsibility found the 27 billion windfall for them.

You guys have been crying into your Morning Star ever since the election result, all bitter and twisted. Stop whinging and whining, to coin a phrase 'man up', sort your rabble out and come up with a credible alternative to the Tories, not some dreamer with a utopian vision of what the world COULD be like IF it were a nicer place. It ain't, get used to it.

Didn't he Institute for Fiscal Studies comment that there is only a 50/50 chance that the £27b will materialise. Doesn't that make Osborne a bit of a gambler?

 

[drew]

I love the fact Corbyn was thinking about whether to make this a free vote yet he was the most ill disciplined MP under the whip

Agree, he was basically shafted by his own history.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

and so it should be, I am hoping that each individual MP has been and asked his constituants their opinion and will vote accordingly ......................its called democracy.
my worry is that they have not consulted their constituants and get it wrong if this is the case they must expect to be considered for de-selection at some time.
I also wonder how many of the tory MP's consulted their constituants?

You seem to be operating under the misapprehension that the general public are against air strikes in Syria. Just in case you missed it last time ..

Following your argument any MP who votes against air strikes 'must expect to be considered for de-selection at some time.'

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

If any of the ****tards in the House of Commons had any interest in the wellbeing of our country and its people, they would put party politics aside and sit down together and thrash out a solution that, actually, benefits the nation as a whole, rather than sitting making goat, sheep and donkey noises at each other. They're all just a bunch of self important, self interested ********s. I'm sick of hearing how wonderful Corbyn is, and about the Satan Cameron, they're both incompetent twats, totally out of their depth. That's it, I've had enough of pondering on why our country is run and opposed by a bunch of tossers who have no interests other than their own political futures, I'm going to ignore the social media binfests and concentrate on the important issue of the Albion getting promoted, this season.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Following your argument any MP who votes against air strikes 'must expect to be considered for de-selection at some time.'

With the debate being led, largely, by the right wing media, the military and others I'm not surprised that the publics support is changing towards war.

I'm certain that the world must stop ISIS and throw out Assad but a few brimstone missiles is not the solution. If we mean business we have to commit soldiers, a LOT of soldiers. That means a LOT of dead British soldiers. It's harsh but true.