CMS

[Marshy]

If he gets 20 goals this season playing up front on his own, in the style we play, quite frankly it will be a remarkable effort by him.

I still rate him highly.

 

[Marshy]

Love him.

 

[Stat Brother]

If he gets 20 goals this season playing up front on his own, in the style we play, quite frankly it will be a remarkable effort by him.

I still rate him highly.

I still think, in this league, with this set up, 20+ is the new 36.

So I totally agree Marshy.

 

[David Baboulene]

CMS is a fine player. His problem is that BHA are now set up all wrong for him. All the creativity comes from Bridge and LuaLua piling down the left, Buckley and Bruno down the right. This means the crosses are coming in... and CMS is not the man for that kind of delivery. He needs the approach play through the middle, turning his defender and beating him for speed on to balls into the channels. Dobbie is looking for the same feeds. So we won't have an effective balance until either we start playing in an Arsenal/Barca (or more realistically, Watford) style through the middle of the park and using the channels, OR getting a Glen Murray old school style centre forward or two who can get on the end of the crosses. Given the fantastic wing play we are now capable of, I would suggest the latter.

Windy B
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[somerset]

CMS is a fine player. His problem is that BHA are now set up all wrong for him. All the creativity comes from Bridge and LuaLua piling down the left, Buckley and Bruno down the right. This means the crosses are coming in... and CMS is not the man for that kind of delivery. He needs the approach play through the middle, turning his defender and beating him for speed on to balls into the channels. Dobbie is looking for the same feeds. So we won't have an effective balance until either we start playing in an Arsenal/Barca (or more realistically, Watford) style through the middle of the park and using the channels, OR getting a Glen Murray old school style centre forward or two who can get on the end of the crosses. Given the fantastic wing play we are now capable of, I would suggest the latter.

Windy B
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Teams like Watford beat us because our central defence gets overwhelmed, so in effect cleared and tackled balls
from one player can in a lot of cases rebound to another attacking player giving another opportunity for a shot or killer pass,...... we dont have that, we ping a ball in CMS's general direction, he often has nobody to lay it off to, but if he is tackled or the ball is cleared, it rarely falls to one of our other supposed attacking players, ... ball lost.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Teams like Watford beat us because our central defence gets overwhelmed, so in effect cleared and tackled balls
from one player can in a lot of cases rebound to another attacking player giving another opportunity for a shot or killer pass,...... we dont have that, we ping a ball in CMS's general direction, he often has nobody to lay it off to, but if he is tackled or the ball is cleared, it rarely falls to one of our other supposed attacking players, ... ball lost.

But, when it has fallen to our players, either from pull backs or from mis-hit clearances, our player invariably blazes the shot over the bar.

 

[throbinson]

In a season where the whole team are missing chances you want to sell our leading goalscorer this season so far. Have a word with yourselfs

 

[saafend_seagull]

His shots to goals is one of the best in the league, but has missed three sitters and can't bring other players into the game.

 

[Marshy]

His shots to goals is one of the best in the league, but has missed three sitters and can't bring other players into the game.

Normally because they are 20 yards away when he gets the ball....

 

[somerset]

In a season where the whole team are missing chances you want to sell our leading goalscorer this season so far. Have a word with yourselfs

There are many that dont subscribe to that, but sadly many more who have openly said they want to retain Barnes at the cost of selling CMS,... that my friend is madness.

 

[JBizzle]

There are many that dont subscribe to that, but sadly many more who have openly said they want to retain Barnes at the cost of selling CMS,... that my friend is madness.

Has anyone actually said that they want Barnes to stay instead of CMS? As if there's a choice where you can only have one of the two? That makes no sense in so many ways, not least the fact that the play different roles in the team. Besides, its not like Norwich have phoned up and said "We want CMS or Barnes: PICK"

To be honest, I think I would be very sad to see CMS go because when it works for him, it REALLY works and he looks utterly brilliant. As I said before, Barnes and CMS both add value to the team but in different ways but if CMS goes would I ease my broken heart knowing we got a whopping great fee? I think I would.

 

[somerset]

Has anyone actually said that they want Barnes to stay instead of CMS?

Oh yes... quite a few over the months,

 

[David Baboulene]

Teams like Watford beat us because our central defence gets overwhelmed, so in effect cleared and tackled balls
from one player can in a lot of cases rebound to another attacking player giving another opportunity for a shot or killer pass,...... we dont have that, we ping a ball in CMS's general direction, he often has nobody to lay it off to, but if he is tackled or the ball is cleared, it rarely falls to one of our other supposed attacking players, ... ball lost.

Exactly right, but you have to ask why do our central defenders get overwhelmed? The problems stem from central midfield. We have a selection of decent creative midfielders, but they all seem endlessly out of position. For me, the key problem is that we have no holding midfielder who sits in front of the back four and marshals the midfield. I'm often amazed at the space ahead of Greer as teams bear down on us (as Watford) and I wonder where on earth the midfielders have all gone?! As discussed above, they didn't seem to be available to help CMS when he was toiling alone in the box, and now the opposition has turned us and the central midfielders are nowhere to be seen in the other direction! Zola noticed this, and in the second half Watford started working directly through the middle. Goals resulted immediately. Opposing teams seem to find it easy to find space in the places you'd like to find a defensive midfielder.

Windy B
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[Bakero]

Exactly right, but you have to ask why do our central defenders get overwhelmed? The problems stem from central midfield. We have a selection of decent creative midfielders, but they all seem endlessly out of position. For me, the key problem is that we have no holding midfielder who sits in front of the back four and marshals the midfield. I'm often amazed at the space ahead of Greer as teams bear down on us (as Watford) and I wonder where on earth the midfielders have all gone?! As discussed above, they didn't seem to be available to help CMS when he was toiling alone in the box, and now the opposition has turned us and the central midfielders are nowhere to be seen in the other direction! Zola noticed this, and in the second half Watford started working directly through the middle. Goals resulted immediately. Opposing teams seem to find it easy to find space in the places you'd like to find a defensive midfielder.

Windy B
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Bridcutt?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Exactly right, but you have to ask why do our central defenders get overwhelmed? The problems stem from central midfield. We have a selection of decent creative midfielders, but they all seem endlessly out of position. For me, the key problem is that we have no holding midfielder who sits in front of the back four and marshals the midfield.

No holding midfielder? Are you mental?

Sometimes we have THREE!

 

[Stat Brother]

No holding midfielder? Are you mental?

Sometimes we have THREE!

In fairness we only normally play THREE after we've had a great attack performance the game before.

 

[David Baboulene]

If they are holding midfielders, where are they?! Bridcutt is a fine player and is the closest we have, but he's better going forwards than defending, just like the rest of the midfield options. Are you telling me there aren't massive spaces in front of the central defence time and again? We might have three according to their labels but they are often found out of position.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at central defenders!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Normally because they are 20 yards away when he gets the ball....

To be fair, if you were playing up front with CMS, you'd soon learn to hang about around 20 yards away, because that's where his first touch usually sends it...

 

[Bakero]

If they are holding midfielders, where are they?! Bridcutt is a fine player and is the closest we have, but he's better going forwards than defending, just like the rest of the midfield options. Are you telling me there aren't massive spaces in front of the central defence time and again? We might have three according to their labels but they are often found out of position.

Bridcutt is fantastic defensively! He wins headers, makes interceptions, tackles, covers the full backs if they move forward. What more do you want?