BUBA - did he influence anyone to his point of view?

[Brovion]

...
Brovian, you burst into an open door, I don't have any intention to continue with political threads so you don't have to limit me.

Sorry, you're going to have to run that one past me again. Are you going to help us or not?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Sorry, you're going to have to run that one past me again. Are you going to help us or not?

I think his post is an example of why not to post after a liquid lunch...

 

[Blue Peter]

It seems that either the mods return me (there is a very low chance for that) or not, I will continue to be abused in this forum, that's because the old anti-semitism in UK that hasn't gone away.

You can see the anti-semitism also in this forum by distorting the reality, Benjamin Netanyahu said in a video (that I have) that the Europeans feel guilt for that they betrayed more than 6 million Jews and didn't do nothing to prevent their elimination (apart for coming in the 90 minute to open the gates) so instead of dealing with their guilt then they are trying to invent excuses as if the Israelis are no different than the Nazis who destroyed them and they are doing a strupid and misleading comparison between the Jews who were eliminated in the holocaust to the Palestinian terrorists that are being killed because they open fire first at Israel and Israel returns fire back.

There are other examples like keep talking the same retoric without listening to the real situation, to attach to the misleading in the world media as you can read in this article:

Television screen ethics

So why is the impression of the world the direct opposite? How come there is no connection between the facts and the numbers and the so very demonic image of Israel in the world?

There are many answers. One of them is that western ethics have become the ethics of television cameras. If a Palestinian terrorist or a Hizballah man tries to shoot a rocket from the midst of a civilian neighborhood, and Israel retaliates with fire - causing the death of two children - there will be endless headlines and articles all over the world that “Israel murders children”. But if entire villages are destroyed in Sudan or whole cities are erased in Syria, there will be no television cameras in the area.

And so, according to television ethics, Jose Saramago and Harold Pinter sign a petition protesting ‘genocide’ and ‘war crimes’ perpetrated by Israel. They have never read the Geneva Convention either. They probably do not know that, aside for very few exceptions, the actions of Israel against military targets hitting civilians is allowed according to the Geneva Convention (protocol 1 paragraph 52.2). And because these people are so submerged in television ethics, they will not sign any petitions in protest of the genocide of Muslims by Muslims. Murder for the sake of it. They are allowed to do it.

Television ethics is a tragedy for the Arabs and the Muslims themselves. Israel pays dearly because of it, but the Arabs and the Muslims are its real victims. And as long as this blue screen morality continues, the Arabs and the Muslims will continue to pay the price.

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/483/521.html

Fake In Gaza 1

Fake In Gaza 2

Maybe you need to see what's happening under your eyes:

"UK you will pay, 7/7 on it's way"

Anyway, I'm not gonna take your anti-semite abuses anymore.

 

[Titanic]

Anyway, I'm not gonna take your anti-semite abuses anymore.

I don't believe you will find a single anti-semetic comment from me anywhere.

As for guilt about the holocaust - what utter drivel. I wasn't born until the 1960's, why on earth should I feel guilt ??

Don't hide behind other people words and actions - take responsibility for your own.

 

[Blue Peter]

I don't believe you will find a single anti-semetic comment from me anywhere.

As for guilt about the holocaust - what utter drivel. I wasn't born until the 1960's, why on earth should I feel guilt ??

Don't hide behind other people words and actions - take responsibility for your own.

Hate for Israel is the new anti-semitism cause after WW2, "regular" anti-semitism is not allowed.

You should watch the video of Sir Martin Gilbert that I posted in the "A world without America" thread, here there are again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or_CQJxqktA&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZwFIrm89jk&mode=related&search=

 

[Titanic]

Hate for Israel is the new anti-semitism cause after WW2, "regular" anti-semitism is not allowed.

Where have I expressed 'hate for Israel' ?

Don't hide behind other people words and actions - take responsibility for your own.

 

[Yoda]

People, just do what I've done. The first person EVER to go on my ignore list.

 

[tedebear]

Hate for Israel is the new anti-semitism cause after WW2, "regular" anti-semitism is not allowed.

Have you actually ever answered a question on here?

You seem to be hunting for key words and then post some sort of internet document in relation to that word....

Are you actually human?

 

[Blue Peter]

You should read this article:

Anti-Semitism and unholy alliance


Western leftists, Islamists have nothing in common except disdain for Israel

Charles Asher Small Published: 01.21.07, 11:19 / Israel Opinion

This past week the United States celebrates the rich moral and political legacy of Martin Luther King. I am reminded of one of his powerful messages. He claimed that history will view the actions as well as the inactions of individuals. He powerfully asserted that every action has an effect, while every non-action has equally powerful repercussions.

King was not especially concerned with the actions of the few bad people in society, but was troubled by the inaction of the vast majority of good and decent people. Given the recent state of affairs with regard to global anti-Semitism, King’s message is relevant today.

It feels as if the recent Holocaust denial conference held in Tehran during December is but a distant memory, as the news cycle on the globalized information highway has changed so many times it seems like a distant bad dream.

Unfortunately, it is not. The global social movement of extreme Islamists continues to work towards one of its main goals, the de-legitimatization of Israel so to bring about its destruction, while also aiming to usurp the global order and replace regimes throughout Islamic societies.

While this theocratic social movement carries on with its clearly articulated genocidal objectives, Western human rights advocates and progressives, especially in Western Europe, remain largely silent. How is it that social democratic intellectuals and progressives are voiceless in the face of theocratic, homophobic, sexist, anti-democratic racists, who make unequivocal public genocidal statements, backed up with actions consistent with this goal on the ground?

Among much of the West’s chattering classes Israel has been criticized in a disproportionate manner for decades. The rhetorical and ideological blinders have made it difficult for some on the Left, mainly in Europe, to assess the current situation in a coherent manner. This while levels of anti-Semitism increase significantly throughout much of Europe. British Jews, for example, are four times more likely to be attacked then Muslims, even though Islamophobia is also on the rise.

Much of the expression of the extreme Left in the UK and in Western Europe focuses on portraying Israel as some sort of omnipresent power that mysteriously holds sway over western governments, namely – though not limited to - Washington. This demonization utilizes classical anti-Semitic tropes, accusing Jewish citizens of dual loyalty. This form of dehumanizing stereotype played a key role in the devastating violence and dislocation of European Jewry historically.

Cultural relativism runs deep

Subsequently, when David Duke defends Walt and Mearsheimer to drive home his long held anti-Semitic views - including the dual loyalty allegation - it ought to give people pause.

When elements of the European “Left", are more interested in anti-imperialist rhetoric, which appears to be replacing opposition to anti-Semitism and other traditional values of the Left such combating racism, homophobia, advocating minority rights, the extension of notions of citizenship, and so forth – it ought to give people pause.

When post-modern cultural relativism runs so deep that people are unable to distinguish between the building of the so-called “wall” or “security fence” to stop suicide bombers from murdering civilians – a legitimate act of self-defense that has proven to save lives – and the spurious comparisons with racist tactics of Apartheid South Africa, it goes beyond the rational.

The attacks Israeli civilians have endured over a period of years are tantamount to modern day pogroms. Surely those concerned with basic human rights would demand this barbarity to stop? Even – I dare to suggest - at the cost of temporary access to acres of land or orchards of trees.

When the founding document of Hamas, its Charter, is a covenant of genocide in which the term Zionist, Israeli and Jew, are used interchangeably, in ways that evoke pernicious forms of classical anti-Semitism combined with overt calls for genocide, and has not been roundly condemned by progressives in the West, it must give people pause.

When the so-called Palestinian national liberation movement has been taken over by quintessential reactionaries that call for the outright slaughter of Jewish people based on the twisted forgery of the “Elders of the Protocols of Zion”, as if the elimination of the Jewish State were not enough, it must give pause.

It was Heidegger, of all people, who argued that nostalgia was inherently reactionary. It seems that there is a de-facto reactionary unholy alliance between some Western leftists and Islamists – groups with nothing in common except for their disdain for Israel and nostalgia for the past that acts as the cement that binds their aspirations.

One fantasizes of re-capturing some sort of Caliphate – reuniting Muslims under one theocratic state, while the other dreams of outdated clichés of liberation that for many never went further then slogans on t-shirts.

Leftist hypocrisy intolerable

Most recently, Jimmy Carter not only puts forth the poisonous notion of dual loyalty and portrays Israel in negative light, but during a recent CBC interview he stated that Israel was engaged in a denial of human rights in a manner more complete then ever carried out by the white Apartheid regime.

Not only is this disconnected from reality, it follows an emerging pattern among some on the Left that Israel is somehow the incarnation of all that is evil, this while Israel faces growing threat of incitement to genocide by theological radicals in the region.

Perhaps it is easier to blame the victim then to stand up for what is right; a problem that Carter seems to have been unable to overcome even in his old age.

George Galloway, for example, a self-proclaimed progressive rushes to congratulate Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah for his actions against Israel. Here a supposed socialist praises a theocrat with paymasters in Iran, while he takes contributions from equally dubious sources.

Nasrallah insidiously claims that he is not opposed to the ingathering of the Jewish people to Israel or to Zionism, since all the Jewish People would be in one place to be more easily eliminated. Galloway is not a socialist, but a sweet talker advocating the Socialism of Fools; a notion coined by August Bebel warning the German working classes not to be duped by focusing on the scapegoating of Jews, rather then the real issue confronting the workers.

As the Iranian regime becomes more explicit and bold in its incitement to genocide the hypocrisy of some on the Western Left is intolerable. It is no longer enough to claim opposition to the fascist anti-Semitism that shook Europe to its core more then 60 years ago, a common practice these days. The Left must stand firmly against this new contemporary form of genocidal anti-Semitism.

There is not one political philosophy, legal system, religious or moral philosophy, in which pleading ignorance absolves transgressions. As the agenda of Iran, Hamas and Hizbullah becomes more clearly articulated and accessible in the media there is less room for the political and moral hypocrisy of the Left.

In the spirit of Martin Luther King it is time we all take responsibility for our actions as well as our non-actions, and confront this contemporary manifestation of the “longest hatred”: anti-Semitism. It is only through this, and perhaps living up to the best of truly “progressive” humane values, that there is any hope of reaching a just resolution in which all peoples of the Middle East will live in peace, security and have access to basic human rights.

Dr. Charles Asher Small is the Director of the Yale Initiative for the Interdisciplinary Study of anti-Semitism

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3354891,00.html

Also I would like to thank the mods who didn't ban me this afternoon, I appreciate it.

Goodbye!

 

[Titanic]

Pathetic

Don't hide behind other people words and actions - take responsibility for your own.

 

[tedebear]

You should read this article:

No thanks - I haven't read a link you've posted - I'm all for chatting to real live people with brains, not people who have been brainwashed by an ideology and haven't got their own thoughts to discuss...

 

[Brovion]

Hate for Israel is the new anti-semitism cause after WW2, "regular" anti-semitism is not allowed.

Wrong, actually. I am strongly opposed to the current US foreign policy but I'm not 'anti-American'. Same goes for Israel.

As has been pointed out by my colleagues Titanic and tedebear, are you EVER going to reply to a question in your own words? Or is everything auto-generated?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Gash or Growler, answer the question.

 

[readingstockport]

As has been pointed out by my colleagues Titanic and tedebear, are you EVER going to reply to a question in your own words? Or is everything auto-generated?

I think we know the answer to that.

 

[Titanic]

Gash or Growler, answer the question.

Top marks for persistence UB !

 

[Uncle Buck]

Top marks for persistence UB !

These sort of questions have to be answered. Gash was winning 4-2 on the train home on Saturday, but I feel it is something that should be opened up to our international brethren, even ones that are fast becoming NSC's greatest nutter since Motherfucker Gate.

So Gash or Growler?

 

[readingstockport]

Didn't you stay up on Saturday then to sample the delights of those lovely semi-scouse ladies in Blackpool?

 

[Yoda]

These sort of questions have to be answered. Gash was winning 4-2 on the train home on Saturday, but I feel it is something that should be opened up to our international brethren, even ones that are fast becoming NSC's greatest nutter since Motherfucker Gate.

So Gash or Growler?

Always favoured saying 'Show us your GROWLER' myself.

 

[Blue Peter]

Goodbye!

 

[Uncle Buck]

Didn't you stay up on Saturday then to sample the delights of those lovely semi-scouse ladies in Blackpool?

I have had nights in Blackpool before, gave it a swerve this time.

Actually found a half decent pub in amongst all the shite that is that northern / little Glasgow shit heap.