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[Music] British v American Punk

British V American Punk

  • British

    Votes: 56 74.7%
  • American

    Votes: 15 20.0%
  • Can't stand either

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    75


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Was there ever a good or particular reason why anybody cared what label a record was released on?
Good question. The independent labels were regarded (rightly or wrongly) as indicative of authenticity. If it was on a major label it was treated with suspicion. But most importantly, if you were browsing and came across a new release on a label you knew had released stuff you'd bought and liked, you might be more likely to risk your 70p. For me. Step Forward, Rough Trade and Beggars Banquet were promising (as was Sire, an American lable), but Stiff had a lot of recycled pub rockers (among gems like Elvis Costello) so a bit more caution was in order. 70P was a lot of money in 77.
 

SeagullsoverLondon

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Much as I love Rory Gallagher, I am still suspicious that there doesn't appear to be any actual evidence or record of Hendrix ever saying this.
Yes it sounds apocryphal to me. But, I am not sure it matters much. Both Hendrix and Gallagher's legacies have lived on with anyone who has listened to their music and then gone and picked up a guitar.
 

Harry Wilson's tackle

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Yes it sounds apocryphal to me. But, I am not sure it matters much. Both Hendrix and Gallagher's legacies have lived on with anyone who has listened to their music and then gone and picked up a guitar.
I may have added to this virtuosity virtue-narrative by commenting on the skills of John McLaughlin. Whoops!

One of the nice things about punk (British) was that nobody went on about musical virtuosity.

I'm sure that someone with sand in their vagina will be along in a moment to peer down from their high horse and explain why this is the case :lolol:
 

Sid and the Sharknados

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Yes it sounds apocryphal to me. But, I am not sure it matters much. Both Hendrix and Gallagher's legacies have lived on with anyone who has listened to their music and then gone and picked up a guitar.
Oh it definitely doesn't matter, but what's that got to do with it? :lolol:
I have heard a story (I think it was a recorded interview with Robert Fripp, but he was describing something he was told about rather than saw himself) about Hendrix jumping around a club with a broken arm, so excited by hearing King Crimson live for the first time.
Based on the sort of music he recorded himself, I can well believe he loved In The Court Of The Crimson King.
 

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Oh it definitely doesn't matter, but what's that got to do with it? :lolol:
I have heard a story (I think it was a recorded interview with Robert Fripp, but he was describing something he was told about rather than saw himself) about Hendrix jumping around a club with a broken arm, so excited by hearing King Crimson live for the first time.
Based on the sort of music he recorded himself, I can well believe he loved In The Court Of The Crimson King.
To be fair to Hendrix, he did seem interested in music in the wider sense. I saw some film a few years ago of his later work as a band member with at least 5 people, contributing in an unstated way to making organic music rather than going on a virtuoso head-wank (sort of Robin Trower career trajectory in reverse). So maybe he did like King Crimson and that. Sorry 'dig'. Dig King Crimson.
 


Seagull58

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Jan 31, 2012
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Bored during a meeting today, I pulled out all my 7 inch singles. Punk (and reggae) singles took my interest from around 76 but I stopped buying singles entirely by 83. Not much American (shit) there ;) Apologies if the past below is too big for your phone. I have blocked each year into alphabetic order. I think that if you squint you can see punk transition into 'New Wave' or (my preferred terms) 'alternative pop music' over time. I haven't listed all the soul music, early 60s trash pop. or any of my massive 12" singles collection. Something for another time. @Tom Hark Preston Park, just shut it, OK? ??? ;)

BandA sideYearLabelPic sleeve
Max RomeoWet dream1968UnityN
Jimmy CliffMany Rivers to Cross1972IslandY
Scotty and Lorna BennettShakank in bed1973IslandN
Pluto SheveringtonDat1976OpalN
The 101ersKeys to your heart1976ChiswickY
Tyla GangSuicide Jockey1976SkydogY
Tyla GangStyrofoam1976DynamiteY
Eddie and the Hotrods96 Tears (Live at the marquee)1976IslandY
Lea NicholsonLazy adternoon1976VirginN
999Nasty Nasty/No pity1977United ArtistsY
Alternative TVHow much longer/you bastard1977Deptford Fun CityY
Alternative TVLife after life1977Deptford Fun CityY
BuzzcocksSpiral Scratch1977New HormonesY
BuzzcocksOrgasm Addict1977United ArtistsY
ChelseaRight to work1977Step ForwardY
DillingerCokane in my Brain1977Black SwanY
Dr AlimantadoBorn for a purpose1977GreensleevesY
EaterThinkin of the U.S.A.1977The LabelY
John Cooper ClarkInnocents e/p.1977RabidY
Jonathan RichmanRoadrunner (twice)1977BeserkleyN
ModelsFreeze1977Step ForwardY
Sex PistolsHolidays in the sun1977VirginY
Sex PistolsAnarchy in the UK1977GlitterbestY
Sex PistolsGod save the queen1977VirginY
Sham 69I don't wanna1977Step ForwardY
SkidsCharles/Reasons/Test-tube babies1977No BadY
The BannedLittle girl1977HarvestN
The BoysFirst Time1977NemsY
The BoysI don't care1977NemsY
The ClashComplete Control1977CBSY
The ClashWhite Riot1977CBSY
The ClashCapitol Radio1977CBS promoY
The CortinasFacist dictator1977Step ForwardY
The DamnedNeat neat neat1977StiffY
The DepressionsLiving on Dreams1977BarnY
The electric ChairsStuck on you1977IllegalY
The FallBingo Master's Breakout1977Step ForwardY
The LurkersShadow (Free admission)1977Beggar's BanquetY
The nosebleedsAin't bin to no music school1977RabidY
The NowDevelopment corporation1977UltimateY
The radiators from spaceEnemies1977Chiswicky
The RezillosCan't stand my baby1977SensibleY
The RingsI wanna be free1977ChiswickY
The Soft BoysWalking through a ventilator1977RawY
UltravoxLive EP1977IslandY
WireI am the fly1977HarvestY
Adam and the Antsyoung parisians1978deccan
BethnalThe Fiddler1978Promo (Viol)Y
Cabaret VoltaireTalkover/Here she comes now1978Rough TradeY
Elvis CostelloWhat's so funny bout peace love & understanding1978RadarY
MagazineShot by both sides1978VirginY
Nick LowI love the sound of breaking glass1978RadarN
Patti Smith GroupBecause the night1978AristaY
Prince Far INo more war1978Virgin Front LineY
Public ImagePublic Image1978VirginN
Reggae RegularBack Star Liner1978GreensleevesN
Sarr BandMagic Mandrake1978CalendarN
Stiff Little FingersAlternative Ulster1978Rough TradeY
The CureKilling and Arab1978Small WonderY
The GladiatorsDreadlocks the time is now1978Virgin Front LineN
The PiranhasJilly1978AttrixY
The SkidsThe saints are coming (Wide Open)1978VirginY
The UndertonesTeenage Kicks1978SireN
Thomas LeerPrivate Plane1978ObliqueY
XdreamystsRight way home1978Good VibrationsY
Xray SpexThe day the wrld turned dayglo1978EMIN
Dexy's Midnight RunnersDance Stance1979OddballY
Eddie GrantLivin on the frontline1979EnsignY
Leyton BuzzardsSaturday night under the plastic palm trees1979ChrysalisY
MadnessOne step beyond1979StuffN
ShrinkValid or Void1979OvalY
The ClashLondon Calling1979CBSN
The PoliceWalking on the moon1979A&MN
The PretendersBrass in Pocket1979RealN
The Regents7 Teen1979RialtoN
The RutsBabylon's Burning1979VirginY
WireOur Swimmer1979Rough TradeY
Adam and the AntsKings of the wild fronteirs1980CBSN
Athletico Spizz 80Hot Deserts1980A&MY
BlondieAtomic1980ChrysalisN
Dexy's Midnight RunnersThere There my dear1980EMIN
John FoxxUnderpass1980VirginY
Joy DivisionLove will tear us apart1980FactoryY
Lori and the ChameleonsThe Lonely Spy1980KorovaY
PretendersTalk of the town1980ChrysalisY
Siouxie and the BansheesIsrael1980PolydorY
Stiff Little FingersAt the edge1980ChrysalisN
The Comsat AngelsIndependence Day1980PolydorY
The JamStart1980PolydorN
The JamGoing underground1980PolydorN
The MekonsTeeth1980VirginY
The SpecialsToo much too young (The special a.k.a. live)19802 ToneY
UB40King1980GraduateN
Angelic UpstartsI understand1981EMIY
Haircut 100Favourite Shirts1981AristaN
Simple MindsPromised you a miracle1981VirginY
Soft CellTainted Love1981Some BizarreN
UltravoxStood Still1981ChrysalisYY
BauhausKick in the eye (Searching for Satori)1982Beggar's BanquetY
B MovieNowhere girl1982some bizarren
Bow wow wowGo wild in the country1982RCAY
Eddy Grantwalking on sunshine1982londonn
Mari WilsonBaby it's true1982The compact organizationY
CinebarVenus/Another fine day1983RanaY
The AlarmSixty Eight Guns1983I.R.S.Y
Good to see Eddie and the Hot Rods there. Their version of Gloria is better than the original. Do Anything You Wanna Do is an anthem for the era.
 

Harry Wilson's tackle

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Good to see Eddie and the Hot Rods there. Their version of Gloria is better than the original. Do Anything You Wanna Do is an anthem for the era.
I saw them in a cinema venue in north London in 1977, supported by Ultravox (the John Foxx version). Happy days :thumbsup:

Edit: DAYWD was an example of the short lived genre, 'power pop'. Airport (oo oo oo oo) :wink:
 

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,002
Vilamoura, Portugal
Strange thing to say. Sounds like faux modesty to me, or some sort of blurt. Gallagher didn't hit his stride till some years after 1970. Irish tour, 74. And even then....not even the best Irish guitarist for

I'm almost certain that Hendrix will have seen Gallagher live either in a club in London or at a festival somewhere (pretty sure Taste played the IoW in 1970, also pretty sure Hendrix wouldn't have been sat around watching their set).
I have some doubts that he ever actually said that line about Gallagher being the best guitarist in the world.
I have no doubt at all that if he did say it he didn't mean it literally.
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,002
Vilamoura, Portugal

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,002
Vilamoura, Portugal
I saw them in a cinema venue in north London in 1977, supported by Ultravox (the John Foxx version). Happy days :thumbsup:

Edit: DAYWD was an example of the short lived genre, 'power pop'. Airport (oo oo oo oo) :wink:
I saw them at De Montford Hall, Leicester in '78 or '79. First time I heard Gloria. I didn't find out for many years that it was a Van Morrison song.
 

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,002
Vilamoura, Portugal
Good question. The independent labels were regarded (rightly or wrongly) as indicative of authenticity. If it was on a major label it was treated with suspicion. But most importantly, if you were browsing and came across a new release on a label you knew had released stuff you'd bought and liked, you might be more likely to risk your 70p. For me. Step Forward, Rough Trade and Beggars Banquet were promising (as was Sire, an American lable), but Stiff had a lot of recycled pub rockers (among gems like Elvis Costello) so a bit more caution was in order. 70P was a lot of money in 77.
Important to note, regarding record labels "if it ain't Stiff, it ain't worth a f**k"
 


Sid and the Sharknados

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So the source is an unamed South African writer, who apparently (according to a story with a number of factual inaccuracies) wrote the quote at least 30 years later in a post in an unamed blog that nobody has ever been able to find?

If anything I'm more confident he never said it that I was before.
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,002
Vilamoura, Portugal
So the source is an unamed South African writer, who apparently (according to a story with a number of factual inaccuracies) wrote the quote at least 30 years later in a post in an unamed blog that nobody has ever been able to find?

If anything I'm more confident he never said it that I was before.
or he might have said it on the Dick Cavett show? He also supposedly expressed his admiration for Billy Gibbons.
 



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