[Politics] Brighton & Hove City Council Elections- 2023 Edition

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Your forecast for May 5th

  • Green Majority

    Votes: 15 12.9%
  • Labour Majority

    Votes: 51 44.0%
  • Conservative Majority

    Votes: 7 6.0%
  • NOC- Green Largest Group

    Votes: 13 11.2%
  • NOC- Labour Largest Group

    Votes: 34 29.3%
  • NOC- Conservative Largest Group

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    116






Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
18,588
Valley of Hangleton


Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
23,809
I think you know more about BHCC politics than me and more people.

My insight is through a key Labour worker in Kemp Town, I also knew rivals within the LibDems scheming against each other :lolol: . What I gleaned, you’ll know all about this, is how literally political it is in a city. Machiavellian manoeuvring both within and between parties, egos, a lust for power. Perhaps worse than at Westminster?

For example if the Greens and Tories have done badly, ‘team-mates’ will put the knife in, in a blame game.

Onto environmental issues in the city, I wonder what Labour will actually do re:
- recycling rates.
- public transport alternatives to cars.
- wildflowers on verges etc. In this election, all 3 parties made great play about “weeds”. After a no-mow policy on our verges for a few years, they brutally reduced ours to soil level twice this spring already.
I've seen the internal workings of three of the parties. The Greens were nice people, but there was a party divide not so evident to outsiders. Moderate Greens and 'Watermelons' i.e strong Socialists who had green credentials. When they led the council in 2011 a few woke up the following morning in shock. It came too soon. Liberal Democrats were small in number and when that happens there is always a struggle for strategy and only a few key players. Labour were highly political in every respect.
 


Dick Swiveller

Well-known member
Sep 9, 2011
9,174
Looking after my rich mates and sod the poor .... NOW IN ITS 1ST SEASON.
 


Weststander

Well-known member
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Aug 25, 2011
64,500
Withdean area
I've seen the internal workings of three of the parties. The Greens were nice people, but there was a party divide not so evident to outsiders. Moderate Greens and 'Watermelons' i.e strong Socialists who had green credentials. When they led the council in 2011 a few woke up the following morning in shock. It came too soon. Liberal Democrats were small in number and when that happens there is always a struggle for strategy and only a few key players. Labour were highly political in every respect.

I mentioned this before on a similar thread. I worked with a Brightonian bloke older than me, often very aggressive about stuff, a big Labour supporter/volunteer with a spiteful hate of local Tories. Weirdly, when the Greens ascended in the city, he hated them even more. Really angry when I said I supported them.

One of his arguments was that they were an extreme left party which wasn’t going anywhere, which had hijacked the original small Green Party.

The bottom line I think is because they were taking Labour votes.

When people post on nsc about their hopes for an unofficial progressive alliance in the UK, with just one opponent against each Tory in the 650 seats, it’s up in the clouds. In the real world LibDems, Labour have tunnel vision for challenging for every seat. Being non-Tory is a side issue. Policies differ and the individuals don’t get on.
 














beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,372
As an aside, our old friends at Lewes District Council will now have the Greens as the largest party, followed by the Lib Dems and Labour, with precisely ZERO Conservatives.
Lib Dems cant be happy about that. is Green the new protest vote?
 








Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
64,500
Withdean area
Why have the Greens been booted out in Brighton, but not everywhere?

That doesn’t suggest a Starmer Blair-esque 1997 effect.

With a form of PR, tactical voting isn’t the be all and end all, so that doesn’t explain it either.

Bizarre.
 


Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
18,588
Valley of Hangleton
Why have the Greens been booted out in Brighton, but not everywhere?

That doesn’t suggest a Starmer Blair-esque 1997 effect.

With a form of PR, tactical voting isn’t the be all and end all, so that doesn’t explain it either.

Bizarre.
I’d suggest that this everywhere that you talk of hasn’t had a Green Party associated with it since 2011, if only they knew 😂
 




Guinness Boy

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Helpful Moderator
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Jul 23, 2003
34,416
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Why have the Greens been booted out in Brighton, but not everywhere?

That doesn’t suggest a Starmer Blair-esque 1997 effect.

With a form of PR, tactical voting isn’t the be all and end all, so that doesn’t explain it either.

Bizarre.
Because they had power first compared to nationally and have therefore been found out first. They weren’t ready for power and you can’t run a city on well meaning principles alone. Very glad they were kicked out. Principled people but ****ing hopeless.
 


Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
18,588
Valley of Hangleton
Because they had power first compared to nationally and have therefore been found out first. They weren’t ready for power and you can’t run a city on well meaning principles alone. Very glad they were kicked out. Principled people but ****ing hopeless.
Principled, some of them, hopeless, well all of them 😉

With the inevitable Labour central government inbound , this has to be good news for the City of Brighton & Hove!
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

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Oct 8, 2003
50,861
Faversham
Because they had power first compared to nationally and have therefore been found out first. They weren’t ready for power and you can’t run a city on well meaning principles alone. Very glad they were kicked out. Principled people but ****ing hopeless.
That sounds about right.
 




Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
23,809
Bristol CC is another Green stronghold, but they didn’t have elections.
Greens have won full control of Mid Suffolk District Council. That's the first council they have ever had control over.
 


Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
18,588
Valley of Hangleton
Bristol CC is another Green stronghold, but they didn’t have elections.
Really?

It’s a shared operation as of 2021 with Greens & Labour having the same number of seats, prior to that in 2016 it was a Labour run council
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