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[News] Brighton & Hove Children walk out in Solidarity for Peace, or half a day skiving.



keaton

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People on this thread seem more critical of school kids marching for peace than the people who get caught with racist/sexist shit on their twitter from their early 20s
 






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totally agree, and I have just spoken with my daughter who is leaving there now and told her as I often do, to listen to both sides as war has victims on both sides and sadly ultimately marches do not stop wars, only when one side has satisfied it's need/goal do wars usually stop. People/organisations will twist the truth to suit an agenda, I mentioned the green and red on the flyer and I thought that could be construed as just being about Palestine, when people from Israel were slaughtered in the homes and at a concert just because of their religion . She got it, I told her I wont be telling her off, and commend her as she sounded enthused by her first political/ justice/ peace march, and told her she must be open minded all the time, and accept any punishment thrown at her by school, it was her choice to leave and take part.

Far cry from my days at school and what followed after for a short period, until I wised up, so proud she is nothing like me at that age
This is the point I was making earlier, I feel this is a really good experience, on a few levels, for your daughter.
 




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totally agree, and I have just spoken with my daughter who is leaving there now and told her as I often do, to listen to both sides as war has victims on both sides and sadly ultimately marches do not stop wars, only when one side has satisfied it's need/goal do wars usually stop. People/organisations will twist the truth to suit an agenda, I mentioned the green and red on the flyer and I thought that could be construed as just being about Palestine, when people from Israel were slaughtered in the homes and at a concert just because of their religion . She got it, I told her I wont be telling her off, and commend her as she sounded enthused by her first political/ justice/ peace march, and told her she must be open minded all the time, and accept any punishment thrown at her by school, it was her choice to leave and take part.

Far cry from my days at school and what followed after for a short period, until I wised up, so proud she is nothing like me at that age
Top class parenting!
 




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It is sad that the likes of Braverman and Sunak have turned the demonstrations for peace into terrifying hate mobs. By playing with the truth for their own political ends they have created panic and fear for many in the Jewish community. Whilst all acts of racism and anti semitism are utterly deplorable, defining posters and slogans in support of the Palestinians as acts of anti semitism has helped massively inflate recorded hate crimes. As a Jew a call for freedom for Palestine, from the river to the sea. Freedom for all, as Israel is constitutionally designed to deny that from ever happening.
 


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You want to turn this into the anti-Israel/Hamas thread?

How very droll.🙂

(And exactly why children should be marching for Peace rather than being drawn too deeply in favour of one over the other - adults can’t even seem to be able to discuss this without the risk of being divisive or getting passive aggressive with each other.)
How in God's name is a post asking for people not to turn this into a polarized debate trying to turn this into an anti-Israel/Hamas debate?

Although, hang on. I am anti-Hamas. I'm also anti-their Iranian bosses. And if someone wants to live in a country run by people who would just as quickly cut you down as listen to your views on women's rights or the rights of LGBT people or any opposition rights, then they need their head examining.
 


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southstandandy

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Many did this around the time of the NHS strikes too. Ironically loads of them went to Brighton Marina and spent the afternoon at the cinema on that occasion as we saw loads there when we were visiting with our grandchildren.
 


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Agreed but Palestine support seems to more fashionable.
I blame Corbyn the trendsetter.
I and many of my friends thank Corbyn for bringing the Palestinian plight/occupation/deaths to the attention of more people.

He is/was courageous for bringing it up - just look at the backlash it brought.

Whilst yes a small element of people may join in without knowing more about the subject to call it fashionable is glib.
 




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I think it's good to protest (in theory). I agree with others who said a protest for peace would've been better, I'm not getting involved in any discussions about any sides as I've deliberately stayed away from reading anything about it, I've given my reasons on another thread.
As to whether it's skiving or not, when the kids were getting involved in the Fridays For Future gatherings. I told Jnr that if he went and ruined his 1000% attendance record, I'd be really p**sed off. Not because I didn't agree with what they were doing but I pointed out that he'd be a bloody hypocrite attending all the while he leaves the lights on, tv on etc. I said that when he starts doing things like not wasting electricity, then he can go and protest. I'm still turning off the lights and tv! 🤦‍♀️
 


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I and many of my friends thank Corbyn for bringing the Palestinian plight/occupation/deaths to the attention of more people.

He is/was courageous for bringing it up - just look at the backlash it brought.

Whilst yes a small element of people may join in without knowing more about the subject to call it fashionable is glib.

Corbyn isn't a paragon of virtue. He allowed antisemitism to pervade the LP and corruptly interfered in the supposedly independently process to assist antisemites.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-of-the-ehrc-inquiry-into-labour-antisemitism

Why's he courageous? Much of the media, social media, chatterati always align on the same side in Middle East wars, atrocities and politics.
 


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Agreed but Palestine support seems to more fashionable.
I blame Corbyn the trendsetter.
Fashionable?
Corbyn?
Trendsetter?

I'm lost for words.

On a par with:

Statesmanship
Johnson
Honour

Luckily both are dead in the water.
 




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Typically you did not read my post properly before launching into yet another one sided rant -

I said an anti-Israel-Hamas thread ie in opposition to the thread that is already running on this issue - you know, the one you no longer comment on because it doesn’t reflect your views perhaps?
What a sad sanctimonious little rant to read. Especially as my post was asking the kids to consider all angles.

There's an 'Anti Israel/Hamas' thread is there? Please find it. Or are you referring to a thread entitled 'Hamas attacks Israel - 'We are at war' which has an entirely different title.

Oh, and please tell me what my views are on the subject, as you seem to know. Perhaps you feel that you've bullied everyone on the thread into submission or silence and therefore feel everyone shares your view (whatever that is.)

By the way, it's nice to be noticed. 😘
 


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Corbyn isn't a paragon of virtue. He allowed antisemitism to pervade the LP and corruptly interfered in the supposedly independently process to assist antisemites.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-of-the-ehrc-inquiry-into-labour-antisemitism

Why's he courageous? Much of the media, social media, chatterati always align on the same side in Middle East wars, atrocities and politics.
You realise Corbyn was deliberately hampered by dealing with complaints by the right of the party who were eager for him to lose. They slowed up the response times deliberately. No ramifications for those involved - still active in the party.


Unfortunately anti-semitism was weaponised against the party for political ends and continues to this day. Left wing Jews are being expelled by Starmer - some for their support for Palestine.


Excellent article of the weaponisation of anti-semitism with regard to Labour.


If you think the media was on the side of Palestinians all the time Corbyn was leader you are living in an alternate reality. One of (not all) the reasons he got such negative press was his stance. He went against the grain in being in a relative position of power and speaking out

Both parties receive funding from Israeli lobby groups. Were not yet on an American level of corruption (AIPAC) etc but Israeli influence is clear and worrying.




Anyway back to the thread. Dont want to derail further
.... heartening to see children involved in opposing the occupation and Apartheid. Granted some will not understand fully what they are marching for but shows awareness of the situation is at least growing.
 


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Sadly low numbers.

Whilst entire schools will be emptied for this one.

I'm sorry, I haven't seen the news today, but do you have a source for any of these 'entirely empty schools ?'

:thumbsup:

*edit* Just had a look and even in the People's republic of Brighton and Hove, the Argus are reporting 'Dozens', whilst Brighton and Hove News are saying 'Scores', so I reckon that is a tiny percentage of the Brighton Festival Children's Parade, and an even tinier percentage of schools generally :wink:
 
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Hamilton

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You are still not reading my posts properly - I am sure school kids are very sadly very aware of the atrocities carried out by Hamas on 7/10, they don’t need to have it drummed into them at school that terrorists do heinous things to other people.

I said ‘anti’ as in having an antipathy towards the ‘Hamas attacks Israel thread’ itself - which you have said you had and clearly to you have to me too based on your last remarks and on how you spoke to me previously on this issue - How can you bully someone into feeling compassion for the innocent victims of war - if someone does not have the humanity to care that over 5,000 children have been killed by Israeli bombs or won’t even allow a conversation on it unless that conversation must constantly keep reverting back to the original attack by Hamas then that person’s whataboutery is not worth arguing with in my book. So again you are incorrect. I take no position in this other than being against the extremism that we are seeing on both sides and extremely concerned for the 2 million people in Gaza.

How is this me presuming I know how you feel? I presumed nothing - you have made your feelings very clear on this and the other thread how you feel. All I have done on this thread is say that where school children demonstrating on their own is concerned, where unsupervised, marching for joint ‘Peace’, rather than against anti-semitism or against Islamophobia or ‘free Palestine’ is more prudent imo in light of how charged our society is with racial tensions at the moment but that is just an opinion not fact and people are fully entitled to disagree.

It is not me bullying people on this forum - I can assure you but I have been repeatedly bullied and baited by a small number of people for fact checking sweeping unfounded statements, pointing out racial stereotyping and bringing to light the devastating impact that Israel’s bombing is having on innocent people especially children in Gaza and, more broadly, those living under apartheid and occupation. So, no, I make NO EXCUSES for doing that.
That’s hilarious. So it’s ‘anti’ as in as in antipathy? Good grief man, you are desperately stretching believability here. And please do give me a breakdown of all the threads I’m reading, as you appear to know which ones I read and which I don’t. Then everyone will know what I care about and what I don’t.

And again, if I have made my views clear then please tell me what my views are as you seem to know what they are.

And don’t conflate the comments about bullying with concern for the plight of children.

I think that perhaps you have just become so ingrained in this debate that you’ve lost all sense of objectivity.

As to bullying you, if you do choose to have a crack at another poster then do expect to receive a response that might be a little robust. That does not make it bullying.
 




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You realise Corbyn was deliberately hampered by dealing with complaints by the right of the party who were eager for him to lose. They slowed up the response times deliberately. No ramifications for those involved - still active in the party.


Unfortunately anti-semitism was weaponised against the party for political ends and continues to this day. Left wing Jews are being expelled by Starmer - some for their support for Palestine.


Excellent article of the weaponisation of anti-semitism with regard to Labour.


If you think the media was on the side of Palestinians all the time Corbyn was leader you are living in an alternate reality. One of (not all) the reasons he got such negative press was his stance. He went against the grain in being in a relative position of power and speaking out

Both parties receive funding from Israeli lobby groups. Were not yet on an American level of corruption (AIPAC) etc but Israeli influence is clear and worrying.




Anyway back to the thread. Dont want to derail further
.... heartening to see children involved in opposing the occupation and Apartheid. Granted some will not understand fully what they are marching for but shows awareness of the situation is at least growing.

As expected you’ve laid your cards very firmly on the Palestinian/Hamas side, when the alleged entire point of the day off school is peace for all. You made it political by introducing antisemites mate Corbyn, the allegations him and his corrupt reign as Labour leader were proven by the EHRC. Widely reported by the Guardian and Independent.

This goes back decades, to the Cold War. The bitter left have ‘a thing’ on certain geopolitical issues. in essence enemies of the US, UK, NATO and Jewry are perceived as friends. Sweeping under the carpet genocidal regimes, murderous terrorists. A token “commiserations for the victims in the kibbutz's”, stands out as tokenism. There will be many Brits who think Jews don’t have the right to any state or presence in the Middle East, airbrushing out 2,500 years of history, I’ve met one or two.
 


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I'm sorry, I haven't seen the news today, but do you have a source for any of these 'entirely empty schools ?'

:thumbsup:

*edit* Just had a look and even in the People's republic of Brighton and Hove, the Argus are reporting 'Dozens', whilst Brighton and Hove News are saying 'Scores', so I reckon that is a tiny percentage of the Brighton Festival Children's Parade, and an even tinier percentage of schools generally :wink:

Seeing you’re interested, see post 6. This walk out chose a side, your paper The Argus reported the song of the day was From The River To The Sea. Labour have suspended an MP over that same thing.
 


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