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[Albion] Brighton are too good and will go down one day



Weststander

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Saudi shill. He's been crying on Twitter about how unfair it is that Newcastle can't spend their gazillion dollars. He basically thinks it's a game of Monopoly rather than a sport.

He’s been a (literally) massive supporter of Abu Dhabi from day one.

Apparently UEFA are in the pocket of Tottenham etc and don’t want ManC, West Ham and Newcastle to ever ascend.
 




AmexRuislip

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I'm mystified as to where this cab rank is at Brighton, when Potter, Caicedo,
Alexis Mc et al, all left the club :shrug:
 






Billy the Fish

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Oct 18, 2005
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As has been already said, he's only right insofar as it's a truism. It's not remotely insightful.

The bottom line is that unless the league becomes populated by "other 14" clubs (the big 6 will always have enough money to compete/beat us) where their infrastructure is populated by management structures similar to ours, and masterminded by similar statistical geniuses, we're not going down. Even when Bloom steps down, there's a good chance we will continue to compete owing to the structure now in place.
On this point, I think it's where it becomes an interesting debate.

We currently have a system and structure which is regarded as one of the best in the game. There's an alternative outcome where other clubs copy what Tony Bloom has done and are able to overtake and improve. Football is always evolving and anyone who doesn't improve might as well go backwards. I've got no doubt that Bloom understands this and is always looking to improve. He's also got his golden goose of a scouting system so while he's in charge I think we're as safe as it's possible to be.
Post Bloom, it's entirely possible that someone doesn't want to change a working system and eventually gets overtaken. Whoever comes after will be in the enormous shadow of Tony Bloom.

One other point that I touched on above, which ties to what you said about the big 6. It could really hurt us if they start targeting the same young players that we've been signing. There's already evidence that Chelsea are doing it. I reckon Utd are still hurt because they walked away from Caicedo so Jim Radcliffe might decide he wants a piece of the pie. I'm sure there'll be others.
 
















ConfusedGloryHunter

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Jul 6, 2011
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Give the poor hack a break. He is right, we should stop signing good players, just who do we think we are? We should pull our necks in and sign bang average journeymen instead and just be grateful we are allowed to play games against the big teams.

Basically we should use the Croydon outfit as a template for happiness.
 




Nobby Cybergoat

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He's right in a way, it won't last all this, it's all been too amazing all this atm, but a club like ours cannot stay rooted in the Premier league,it's not sustainable.
Possibly so.

But we're better placed to stay up now than Palace for example have ever been. They've done a decade.

Everton have been in the PL since it started and are far more likely to go down then we are in the short term. Other clubs have been there longer than us recently, had a dip, but then picked back up. Wolves, West Ham, Villa.

Yes, there are clubs who've stayed up a bit then gone down. But there are also clubs who've stayed up, then stayed up.

Then even if you go down, the better run clubs tend to fare well in the Champ. Leeds, Fulham, Leicester, Saints, will all spend more time in the PL in the next 10 years then out of it in my view
 




dejavuatbtn

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Our model is that of a feeder club. Our main problem will be the number of monied clubs we are feeding - the more there are, the lower our expectations can be. FFP doesn’t seem to be stopping the ones with big money from doing what they do - they are too big for the PL to manage. I am awaiting the free for all that will be a European league that really will drain the rest of us and leave the remaining PL clubs as a bunch of also rans.
 
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HastingsSeagull

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I can see why a neutral might believe that, but I think the arguement is made very poorly in this case. I also doubt Wimbledon, Southampton or Leicester bought 6 youngsters in a January, Nxt Gen winners like the Polish lad, the most bought player in the whole world/database on computer games like Barco, etc. I bet they if anything abandoned what was working and instead signed less potential for 5 years time and started buying expensive dross for right now, trying to keep running for the top, instead of doubling down on the potential future and steadily power-walking to a long term consistent top 10 place.
 


HastingsSeagull

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I also hated his Everton take. Reducing it to 6 points and the wording. No, if you want to stop financial shithousery then make the 10 points into 40. If you don't want uncertainty just relegate them for cheating and breaking rules. Letting them get away with it whilst looking to punish them the bare minimum whilst ensuring it doesn't mean anything by keeping them up only encourages more cheating. Is he a chelsea fan by chance?
 


SUIYHP

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It’s not really an insightful take - same sort of shite that could be applied to any team.

Even the likes of the big six aren’t exactly infallible to time. Sure they’ve got the deep pockets and wealthy owners that will delay this, but it just takes a few years downfall and whoops you’re suddenly Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds, the biggest clubs in the world! We know where we stand so lets just enjoy our time now.
 






Stato

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Journos also make a habit of suggesting that we have a deliberate tactic of developing players with the intent to sell. That's not an accurate reflection of the actual facts. We certainly look to develop young talent through signings and through the academy. However none of the people listed in his article, on or off the pitch were offered up for sale by the club. They all made the decision themselves and were all tempted away for higher wages. At the point they made it clear that they wanted to leave, the club did all it could to maximise the return on its investment. The only other option would have been to match the wages on offer and that will never happen.

Bloom has a wage structure and that structure is limited by sustainability limits. He will not offer the players contracts that the monied seven will offer because he has known for years what Samuel thinks he is revealing: Our achievement is massively against the odds. Statistically it is far more likely that a club of our size will revert to relegation strugglers than to continue to compete for European places. Bloom is a brilliant custodian of a football club because of his passion, wealth and generosity, but also because of his hard headed business approach. He has a strategy and seemingly the first imperative of that strategy is to guarantee professional football for the people of Sussex. The rest of the strategy has to be formed within the limits that this requires.

We are not in the business of competing financially with the rich seven because that could jeopardise our existence. This means that employees will want to move to where the money is. We have no control over this and have to plan around it. Hence Caicedo was brought in when we had Bissouma, Gilmore was brought in when we had Caicedo and Baleba has been brought in whilst we have Gilmore. Baleba could fail as Dahoud seems to have done, but the investment in him is not, in modern terms, huge and he is not the only option: there is Hinshelwood and others from the academy, or whichever raw talent they'll be planning to bring in fairly cheap next summer. There's also Leonard and Ayari and Alzate and Weir and Kozlowski, all currently on loan. The majority won't be the answer, but by developing so many, those who are good enough for the next level down pay for themselves and the chances of finding the right one are increased. We are not Southampton because our plan is not to spend the big transfer fees on one or two proposed replacements. We spend on multiple potential replacements thus maximising the chances of getting the right one. Yes it can go wrong, but it's a sustainable plan that can outlast personnel, whether it is operated in the EPL or the Championship.
 
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Garry Nelson's Left Foot

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I mean, we will go down again at some point. Every golden period ends in football. So what? The point is to keep it going as long as possible and enjoy it while we have it.

It annoys me seeing this line trotted out every day online or by some hack journalist. "Look at what happened to Southampton and Leicester!" No shit, what are you expecting as the alternative? We don't have the resources of Man City, football is cyclical.

Even more annoying, when it eventually happens, these journalists will be saying they predicted it, and for the next club punching above their weight, it'll be "Look at what happened to Brighton!"
This.

Relegation is as inevitable as death and taxes. It will happen sooner or later.

Success is not not being relegated but being well enough run that we can come back up within a couple of seasons at most and when we are in the premier league being a competitive team. It doesn't seem that hard to understand but many, many people seem unable to.
 


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