[Politics] Brexit

[BensGrandad]

It will be interesting to see how Boris retaliates as he wont lie down and do nothing.

 

[BensGrandad]

A less arrogant and entitled individual might have used the word "disappointed". Prisons are full of people who "profoudly disagree" with their verdict.
To say they disagree is setting up the judges as being on "the other side" and "enemies of democracy".

Which they appear to be. If his actions were unlawful, which law did he break?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

It will be interesting to see how Boris retaliates as he wont lie down and do nothing.

Totally agree. Boris will never miss an opportunity for a further f*ck up! When he's in a hole, he sends for a heavy duty JCB.

 

[Springal]

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I have been done over by three appeal judges and a crown court one before and now these muppets.

Judges make mistakes, and these eleven will have done more damage than any in history.

More evidence that Leavers are just bullys. Anyone that disagrees - or in this case upholds the LAW is an 'ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE'

 

[WATFORD zero]

A more considered reply to you extraordinary comment....

I accept Boris does not 'want' Brexit - before he came out in favour he had barely mentioned it as an issue and had a track record of being pro-EU. However, he is now absolutely committed to deliver it. If you were correct the inference would be he is trying to ensure Brexit does not happen. I think this is nonsense.

Consider, he manages to prevent Brexit (that is impossible by the way - he would need to declare what he's doing - he is self serving not insane). Or (more realistically) he successfully gets the EU to agree an extension till January. At that point Corbyn will table a no confidence vote and force an election. Boris would then be up against the Brexit party for failing to hard Brexit at the end of October.

No, Boris MUST hard brexit at the end of October in order to ensure he does not have to face Farrage in a general election.

You then argue that you think Boris will leave with a deal. Really? By the end of October? How? You realise that Boris and chums have not proposed anything to the EU? They have no plan and no likely plan. All they have said is they will bin the backstop. The EU will not agree to that.....

Finally if he does leave with no deal (a possibility you eventually concede) all my comments are correct, not redundant, shirley? Leave with no deal is my take on his plan.....so....unless I am losing the powers of language how can my prediction be redundant if it turns out to be correct?

So, with all the respect I can muster, I have had quite a few different drinks in my life but I'd give a swerve to whatever you have been on because it appears to contain the psychedlic products of unnatural fermentation

But Johnson can't 'no deal' at the end of October.

The very bare basics aren't in place to operate a 'no deal'. There are no lorry parks (other than temporarily using motorways and that has always gone well in the past, even very short term). There are no procedures in place for Customs to deal with EU goods being treated differently from present and having tariffs applied and there are also no staff recruited or trained to operate the procedures even if they existed. There are no automated systems specified (let alone designed, built and tested) and no IT infrastructure on which to operate these. So all ports are going to operate manual procedures, with no additional staff for the majority of their work ?

The alternative, of course is to give Tariff-free access to the EU, as at present, but under WTO Most Favoured Nation rules we then have to grant it to the whole world. (But won't solve the problem of the EU applying tariffs on all goods going the other way).

But even if we applied tariffs, if we leave with 'no deal' and no customs border in Northern Ireland, it means we are giving Ireland (and therefor the EU) complete tariff free access to all UK markets. In addition, if we allow Ireland and the EU tariff-free access, we have to grant it to the whole world under WTO Most Favoured Nation rules.

Then, from the position of the whole world having completely tariff-free access to all British markets, we have to start negotiating trade deals with them ? I'm no expert, but I'm struggling to see what more we could offer them to come to the table to begin negotiations if the whole world already have complete tariff-free access to all British markets.

It is, and has always been pure Bluff, just like the last two times. If the EU saw us building lorry parks, tendering for IT infrastructure and systems, recruiting and training customs staff, then they may believe we are serious.

All Johnson has to offer is a re-brand of TM's deal. And unless and until we invest a few years and £10s of Billions in infrastructure that's all there will always be

 

[daveinplzen]

Which they appear to be. If his actions were unlawful, which law did he break?

BRITISH Law

 

[Is it PotG?]

All of these shenanigans will only serve to make the divide deeper and wider.

Had we left as we should, parties such as The Brexit Party would have disappeared over the horizon. Not only is that unlikely for some time now, they might even augment their support.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

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I have been done over by three appeal judges and a crown court one before and now these muppets.

Judges make mistakes, and these eleven will have done more damage than any in history.

Ah, the good old 'traitors' trope. I was waiting for this to turn up. Your post conjures up the image of 4 distinguished justices dressed in full robes, pouncing on you as you left a pub and setting about you with blunt instruments.

 

[happypig]

Which they appear to be.

All justices, from lowly magistrates to supreme court judges, take the judicial oath :

“I, ____________ , do solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second in the office of ____________ , and I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this Realm without fear or favour, affection or ill will.”

To use a football analogy, they are referees, they take no part in the playing of the game but ensure that the laws are followed and (if necessary) punish transgressors. They are there to ensure fair play.

If his actions were unlawful, which law did he break?

It was not a ruling on criminal law but constitutional law.

 

[BensGrandad]

BRITISH Law

Which specific law and why no mention of prosecuting him as all law breakers are.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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I have been done over by three appeal judges and a crown court one before and now these muppets.

Judges make mistakes, and these eleven will have done more damage than any in history.

You do seem to have had everything happen to you in life. Done over by everybody and everything, it seems.

 

[nicko31]

All of these shenanigans will only serve to make the divide deeper and wider.

Had we left as we should, parties such as The Brexit Party would have disappeared over the horizon. Not only is that unlikely for some time now, they might even augment their support.

This isn't shenanigans. All that has happened is the law is being upheld. Its to protect all of us, and our Commonwealth friends that use our system as well....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Which specific law and why no mention of prosecuting him as all law breakers are.

Please learn the difference between unlawful and breaking the law.

The action of proroguing was unlawful and has been overturned, which is why Parliament is open for business today.

I know you love stirring it up, because as a pub landlord, there is no way you could be this naive. You did the same with the Calderon Appreciation evening which was nothing to do with you, nor was it affecting you in any way.

 

[WATFORD zero]

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I have been done over by three appeal judges and a crown court one before and now these muppets.

Judges make mistakes, and these eleven will have done more damage than any in history.

Maybe they just recognise a wrong'un when they see one

 

[Is it PotG?]

All that has happened is the law is being upheld. Its to protect all of us, and our Commonwealth friends that use our system as well....

All of this law upholding will only serve to make the divide deeper and wider.

Had we left as we should, parties such as The Brexit Party would have disappeared over the horizon. Not only is that unlikely for some time now, they might even augment their support.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in some or all of the following:

Deliberately angering people.
Making people act or say things that are considered obvious causing the individual to appear stupid to others witnessing the discussion.
Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion.
Disrupting the “smooth” operation of the site.
Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site.
Pretending to be profoundly ignorant or stupid, gleaning some weird sense of having "won" when other users subsequently come to believe this.
Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion.

I think we can recognise at least two people who fit into these descriptions, who have posted today.

 

[WATFORD zero]

All of this law upholding will only serve to make the divide deeper and wider.

Had we left as we should, parties such as The Brexit Party would have disappeared over the horizon. Not only is that unlikely for some time now, they might even augment their support.

All of these shenanigans will only serve to make the divide deeper and wider.

Had we left as we should, parties such as The Brexit Party would have disappeared over the horizon. Not only is that unlikely for some time now, they might even augment their support.

Is there an echo in here ?

Or have you been taking lessons off Ppf

 

[Papa Lazarou]

All of this law upholding will only serve to make the divide deeper and wider.

Had we left as we should, parties such as The Brexit Party would have disappeared over the horizon. Not only is that unlikely for some time now, they might even augment their support.

The Brexit Party may have disappeared but the rich tax avoiding backers would still be there, racist Farage would still be looking for a way to leverage disharmony and of course the people who vote for this sort of thing would still be living amongst us.

If it's done 1 good thing, Brexit has drawn aside the veil on the true nature of the British people, and it's not a nice thing to behold.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Is there an echo in here ?

Or have you been taking lessons off Ppf

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm off out now, try to play nicely and I don't want anyone making a fool of themselves while I'm gone