[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

Nor is there anything to say that without a deal, UK fisherman wouldn't be able to fish in EU waters. As a general rule, countries own the fishing rights in their own national waters unless they have agreed otherwise. Youmight not remember the so-called Cod War with Iceland, or the spat about the UK claiming Rockall as UK territory thus extending the UK fishing zone, but they did happen; and the reason they happened was because ownership of national waters conferred the fishing rights over those waters.

International fishermen are not allowed to fish in UK waters unless the UK allows them to, just as UK fishermen can't fish in EU or Norwegian or Icelandic waters unless the EU or Norway or Iceland allows them to.

Which is why the deal was extended until 2038. Btw coastal waters are only 12 miles, and then become international waters.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I suppose if you shout "Putin, Putin, Putin" often enough it negates the need to prove anything. Putin doesn't fund Reform and Farage doesn't like Putin.

Until this week, the entire fish stocks and fish conservation control over UK waters in 2026 and beyond would belong to the UK. Now it doesn't. Can you not see the difference?

I’ll ask again what is wrong with the new ’ fishing deal’ as not even fisherman are sure? Nowhere doesn’t say we have given up ownership of UK waters. Secondly both parties still have to agree a follow on deal.

Farage likes him, he thinks putin is a strongman and very misunderstood by the West, which isn’t surprising when Farage worked on the Russian equivalent of the BBC, he used it for anti GB/EU rhetoric whilst an MEP. No one goes on Russian TV without Putin’s approval. it’ll be interesting to see what happens with Nathan Gill’s court case.

 

[SouthSaxon]

I suppose if you shout "Putin, Putin, Putin" often enough it negates the need to prove anything. Putin doesn't fund Reform and Farage doesn't like Putin.

Farage, quoted by the BBC last year, when asked about comments he made in 2014:

I said I disliked him as a person, but I admired him as a political operator because he's managed to take control of running Russia

By his own words, he admires a man who retains power by having his political opponents murdered.

Farage defends Ukraine war remarks after Sunak and Starmer criticism

Nigel Farage is accused of being on the side of the Russian president by his Tory, Labour, Lib Dem and SNP rivals.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[nicko31]

Farage, quoted by the BBC last year, when asked about comments he made in 2014:



By his own words, he admires a man who retains power by having his political opponents murdered.

Farage defends Ukraine war remarks after Sunak and Starmer criticism

Nigel Farage is accused of being on the side of the Russian president by his Tory, Labour, Lib Dem and SNP rivals.

www.bbc.co.uk

His love for Putin goes back a while

Nigel Farage accuses EU of 'poking Russian bear with stick' over Ukraine

Ukip leader attacks EU's foreign policy, claiming it has provoked Russia and deepened Syria crisis by giving rebels false hope

www.theguardian.com

 

[dsr-burnley]

But international waters are a lot bigger than UK waters, right? So access to EU waters is just as beneficial, if not more so, than just UK fishing lanes to UK fishermen?

You can't just assume that because the EU is bigger than the UK, their fishing rights per capita are a lot greater. They have a large chunk of the Med, of course, and half the Baltic, and Spain/Portugal have a load of the North Atlantic, but a large part of the EU has little or no fishing waters. Germany, for example, very little; Austria, nothing.

EU fishers take about 5 times the value of fish from British waters than British fishers do from EU waters.

Explainer: The UK-EU fisheries agreement - UK in a changing Europe

It has been widely reported that UK-EU talks to deepen their economic and security relationship could be held up by disagreements over...

ukandeu.ac.uk

One thing this agreement does is confirm Denmark's right to scour the seabed to trawl for sand eels off England. (The UK put in a ban for all the UK part of the North Sea, but the EU fought successfully to overturn the ban for English waters, not Scottish waters.) Is that a good thing?

Sandeel fishing ban in North Sea to remain - court rules

Sandeels are a vital source of food for seabirds that live along the UK coastline.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[chickens]

You can't just assume that because the EU is bigger than the UK, their fishing rights per capita are a lot greater. They have a large chunk of the Med, of course, and half the Baltic, and Spain/Portugal have a load of the North Atlantic, but a large part of the EU has little or no fishing waters. Germany, for example, very little; Austria, nothing.

EU fishers take about 5 times the value of fish from British waters than British fishers do from EU waters.

Explainer: The UK-EU fisheries agreement - UK in a changing Europe

It has been widely reported that UK-EU talks to deepen their economic and security relationship could be held up by disagreements over...

ukandeu.ac.uk

One thing this agreement does is confirm Denmark's right to scour the seabed to trawl for sand eels off England. (The UK put in a ban for all the UK part of the North Sea, but the EU fought successfully to overturn the ban for English waters, not Scottish waters.) Is that a good thing?

Sandeel fishing ban in North Sea to remain - court rules

Sandeels are a vital source of food for seabirds that live along the UK coastline.

www.bbc.co.uk

Won’t somebody think of the sand eels?

I suspect the mismatch between EU fishermen taking five times as many fish from UK waters, as opposed to the reverse, is at least partly down to the UK only having 5,418 vessels in the fishing industry, while the EU has 70,986 vessels.

English vessels (in particular) being largely less than 10 metres in length with limited catch capacity. The EU has a higher proportion of larger vessels with a higher catch capacity.

Hardly surprising then, that the EU take more from UK waters than vice versa. In the same way that you can fit more in the boot of a Volvo estate than an (original) Mini boot, it’s only going to take a fraction of the EU fleet to be fishing in UK waters for them to out-fish the UK. We just don’t have the numbers, equipment or infrastructure for more.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Won’t somebody think of the sand eels?

I suspect the mismatch between EU fishermen taking five times as many fish from UK waters, as opposed to the reverse, is at least partly down to the UK only having 5,418 vessels in the fishing industry, while the EU has 70,986 vessels.

English vessels (in particular) being largely less than 10 metres in length with limited catch capacity. The EU has a higher proportion of larger vessels with a higher catch capacity.

Hardly surprising then, that the EU take more from UK waters than vice versa. In the same way that you can fit more in the boot of a Volvo estate than an (original) Mini boot, it’s only going to take a fraction of the EU fleet to be fishing in UK waters for them to out-fish the UK. We just don’t have the numbers, equipment or infrastructure for more.

Yes, the Spanish are notoriously good at hoovering up vast numbers of fish.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Yes, the Spanish are notoriously good at hoovering up vast numbers of fish.

That’s Spics for ya.