[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

I'm watching the news now where the scientific community are joining together in celebration that we have finally got a little bit back of what we voted to give up 7 years ago, although they say we'll never get back the three years we missed out on

To be fair, at least it appears positive for when we inevitably rejoin the Single Market/Customs Union in the next few years

 

[Wokeworrier]

Only yesterday you posted some shitty article from a magazine that is the brainchild of Toby Young and JRM and pushed it as some non-partisan balance on the state of Brexit.

Now you're asking others to provide balance? Seriously, why would anyone bother appeasing a swivel eyed dick like you?

Another very angry, key board warrior/moron who can't cope with reasoned fact based arguments

 

[Eric the meek]

Indeed. Batting for team UK is always an away fixture on this thread.

In other news, I know the recent positive UK economic data has caused much distress amongst many pro EU Brexit thread regulars but I detected a vain hope that future economic adjustments might see us sink to the bottom once more ...

UK ahead of EU as bloc likely to 'slip into recession'

The UK grew ever so slightly faster than the EU in the second quarter as falling exports brought growth in the bloc to a near standstill.

www.cityam.com

And to be crystal clear I am not claiming we are doing brilliantly just showing our economy is roughly on a par with G7 nations and the EU which shows any Brexit impact is negligible at best ... contrary to the recieved 'wisdom' of Brexit economic armaggedon continually pedalled ( to be fair, mainly by one not very bright individual) on this thread.

Oh dear.

Have you ever come across the phrase 'non sequitur'? It means your conclusion does not follow from your previous statement or evidence.

Your keenness to find supporting data is getting the better of you....

HOW do you arrive at the conclusion 'any Brexit impact is negligible at best'? How on earth can you tell? You don't know what the Brexit uplift or fall was. The data you quote, does not show the effect of any Brexit impact, because the Brexit impact is not specified or quantified ! It does not split out the Brexit effect in % terms. Not only does the data not support your premise at all, but you didn't realise it doesn't ! You even highlighted it in some eureka moment !

Do you see the mistake you have made?

 

[Simster]

Another very angry, key board warrior/moron who can't cope with reasoned fact based arguments

Do let me know when you can provide reasoned argument as opposed to complete bollocks from "the critic". You've got nothing else I suppose.

And you seem to be struggling. This time confusing anger with disdain.

To recap, @Lever said leavers campaigned by saying things would be immediately better. You responded by demanding examples of that ON HERE.

That's you desperately trying to reframe the conversation so that "£350m a week to the NHS" on the side of a bus can be swept under the carpet.

If you don't like being called a dick, don't act like.one.

 

[Scappa]

Oh dear.

Have you ever come across the phrase 'non sequitur'? It means your conclusion does not follow from your previous statement or evidence.

Your keenness to find supporting data is getting the better of you....

HOW do you arrive at the conclusion 'any Brexit impact is negligible at best'? How on earth can you tell? You don't know what the Brexit uplift or fall was. The data you quote, does not show the effect of any Brexit impact, because the Brexit impact is not specified or quantified ! It does not split out the Brexit effect in % terms. Not only does the data not support your premise at all, but you didn't realise it doesn't ! You even highlighted it in some eureka moment !

Do you see the mistake you have made?

Wot's gardening got to do with anything?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Another very angry, key board warrior/moron who can't cope with reasoned fact based arguments

I think he is just putting forward a reasoned fact based argument that you were a swivel-eyed dick when you were JC Footy Genius and all the other accounts you set up and you're still a swivel eyed dick under your new account of @Wokeworrier.

At least that's my interpretation of the post

 

[Wokeworrier]

Oh dear.

Have you ever come across the phrase 'non sequitur'? It means your conclusion does not follow from your previous statement or evidence.

Your keenness to find supporting data is getting the better of you....

HOW do you arrive at the conclusion 'any Brexit impact is negligible at best'? How on earth can you tell? You don't know what the Brexit uplift or fall was. The data you quote, does not show the effect of any Brexit impact, because the Brexit impact is not specified or quantified ! It does not split out the Brexit effect in % terms. Not only does the data not support your premise at all, but you didn't realise it doesn't ! You even highlighted it in some eureka moment !

Do you see the mistake you have made?

If the UK is following the general economic gdp performance mirrored amongst the G7 and EU members similar to when we were members of the EU then I think it's entirely reasonable to think Brexit hasn't made all that much difference. Whereas numpties on social media and think tanks claiming we are 4% + gdp worse off have a lot of explaining to do
.

 

[WATFORD zero]

If the UK is following the general economic gdp performance mirrored amongst the G7 and EU members similar to when we were members of the EU then I think it's entirely reasonable to think Brexit hasn't made all that much difference. Whereas numpties on social media and think tanks claiming we are 4% + gdp worse off have a lot of explaining to do
.

You appear to have missed/ignored my question as to what you though of this moronic post that seems to be all about immigration. Can't imagine why

Regaining the power to vote out the people who enact the policies/laws effecting our lives. Regaining full control over immigration. Decreasing demand on housing by limiting immigration. Boosting exports with a competitive pound? Increased job opportunities - see limiting immigration. Retaining some individual British identity - see immigration. Regaining the primacy of UK law so we can deport terrorist campaigners when we see fit. Regaining the power to trade with some of the biggest and fastest growing economies in the world - quality goods at cheaper prices? Improved services in the country as we can plan for the likely demand - see immigration. Regain a bit of self respect so we prove the public aren't going to be bullied manipulated by big business/political establishment. Regain a spine to show we aren't afraid of change and have faith in this country to succeed without being subservient to the EU political project ... just like the vast majority of countries around the world.

Benefits of staying in - we might be a bit better off in 10,20,30 years time if you believe forecasters with huge vested interests who can't even correctly predict 1 year in advance.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Wow, is the Brexit thread still going on? Blimey.

Well, it was a bad idea back then, it has proven to be a bad idea ever since and will continue to be a bad idea long into the future.

Now, back to the footy-ball chat

 

[Eric the meek]

If the UK is following the general economic gdp performance mirrored amongst the G7 and EU members similar to when we were members of the EU then I think it's entirely reasonable to think Brexit hasn't made all that much difference. Whereas numpties on social media and think tanks claiming we are 4% + gdp worse off have a lot of explaining to do
.

Christ. No answer to my question then. Just hands over ears.

I had heard there were people like you, but I hadn't come across one before you. From other comments, I assumed you were trolling, and had the evidence to back it up, but you don't, do you? You don't even understand the data you are looking at, and put forward as supporting evidence.

Here's an idea. Study the data, and then formulate your theory. If you do it the wrong way round, you will be picked off, over and over again.

BTW, G7 nations (which you have quoted twice) didn't even feature in your linked report. The US post-covid has grown 4%, 4 times the amount the UK has.

Stewart Lee was right. Brexiteers consist of racists, ***** and people who don't understand data.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Wow, is the Brexit thread still going on? Blimey.

Well, it was a bad idea back then, it has proven to be a bad idea ever since and will continue to be a bad idea long into the future.

Now, back to the footy-ball chat

For the majority of us, other things on the Board are more interesting and will get our attention, particularly these last few seasons

For one, sadly not

 

[ManOfSussex]

You appear to have missed/ignored my question as to what you though of this moronic post that seems to be all about immigration. Can't imagine why

It's good he gave up his JC Footy Genius account though. That poster is many things but genius is not one of them. Plus John Crumplin is apparently a top bloke.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Christ. No answer to my question then. Just hands over ears.

I had heard there were people like you, but I hadn't come across one before you. From other comments, I assumed you were trolling, and had the evidence to back it up, but you don't, do you? You don't even understand the data you are looking at, and put forward as supporting evidence.

Here's an idea. Study the data, and then formulate your theory. If you do it the wrong way round, you will be picked off, over and over again.

BTW, G7 nations (which you have quoted twice) didn't even feature in your linked report. The US post-covid has grown 4%, 4 times the amount the UK has.

Stewart Lee was right. Brexiteers consist of racists, ***** and people who don't understand data.

But getting one who ticks all three boxes is quite memorable

 

[Lever]

Can you please provide a few examples of your lot acknowledging lies/exaggerations told by the Remain campaign and provide a few quotes when anyone on here said 'things will be immediately better after we leave'?

There is no 'lot', so you have already started off rather gracelessly. However....

PM wannabe Osborne performed really badly in his Remain rhetoric and with a little effort you can find the specifics of his predictions and subsequent reflections about them by people on both sides of the argument.

Now, about those sunny uplands......

 

[warmleyseagull]

I'm watching the news now where the scientific community are joining together in celebration that we have finally got a little bit back of what we voted to give up 7 years ago, although they say we'll never get back the three years we missed out on

To be fair, at least it appears positive for when we inevitably rejoin the Single Market/Customs Union in the next few years

Which would be a good thing. UK has always wanted free trade and CU is effectively part of that (indeed MOST of it in practice, in order to avoid border checks and much bureaucracy; my company lost a six figure contract recently to supply equipment to Germany - yes, it does happen - because we couldn't prove the sources of all the constituent parts). As a weak Remainer, all I want(ed) was proper free trade whatever it is called. Forget all the bollocks about immigration, greater unification, EU army. Keep our identities, maintain our borders, and trade on equal terms.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

So throughout what has undoubtedly been the greatest few weeks in the history of the Albion, what contributions did you make to the Brighton Fans Forum ?,

https://www.northstandchat.com/search/764228/

A few hundred posts of constant trolling on this thread and not a single thing about the team you purport to support and who's website you constantly troll. Completely coincidentally the exact same idiocy as that account JC Footy Genius trolled for years before becoming too embarrassing even for him to continue.

And back on topic

That'll be the same Horizon deal that we used to make half a billion out of when we were in the EU, but have now negotiated to get for £2B in the hope of getting something similar back ?

The stand-off has bemused UK researchers because pre-Brexit the UK received around £500m more than the £1.5bn a year it put in. For Horizon the government has agreed to pay approximately £2bn a year and given the quality of British science, the research community believes it would get at least the same amount back.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66116938

Another brilliant Brexit deal

If the UK is following the general economic gdp performance mirrored amongst the G7 and EU members similar to when we were members of the EU then I think it's entirely reasonable to think Brexit hasn't made all that much difference. Whereas numpties on social media and think tanks claiming we are 4% + gdp worse off have a lot of explaining to do
.

Ever considered stand up.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Which would be a good thing. UK has always wanted free trade and CU is effectively part of that (indeed MOST of it in practice, in order to avoid border checks and much bureaucracy; my company lost a six figure contract recently to supply equipment to Germany - yes, it does happen - because we couldn't prove the sources of all the constituent parts). As a weak Remainer, all I want(ed) was proper free trade whatever it is called. Forget all the bollocks about immigration, greater unification, EU army. Keep our identities, maintain our borders, and trade on equal terms.

It's what the vast majority want. Unfortunately a group of extremists saw this as an opportunity to make a power grab and used it to convince racists, bigots, people who were struggling financially, the naïve and various other groups who were angry, that this was their nirvana.

A lot of people recognised the lies and the power grab, but not enough. So we are now in this situation where the extremists are still in control, the vast majority know they've been f***ed over and what needs doing to address it, but nobody wants to put their head above the parapet and state the obvious. It's almost as if they want to suffer more before they will be ready to accept the inevitable and actually say it

In the meanwhile we have to wait, and I hope your job keeps secure until it happens. Sorry

 

[WATFORD zero]

Ever considered stand up.

I sometimes wonder if highlighting idiocy of this level is just bullying ?

But then I think, f*** it, it's what would Darwin have wanted

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I sometimes wonder if highlighting idiocy of this level is just bullying ?

But then I think, f*** it, it's what would Darwin have wanted

you could argue that in this case Darwin was wrong as this is more devolution than evolution.

 

[Baldseagull]

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At the end of 2020, we did agreed the Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA), setting out the terms of post-Brexit relations, which included a commitment that the UK would rejoin Horizon Europe, and the details of association. Unfortunately the EU refused to ratify this, instead using it as a bargaining chip over NI.

Depending on your pov, team UK or team EU, you can blame either side, the truth probably rests somewhere in the middle.

Gabriel confirms UK can’t join Horizon Europe until row over Northern Ireland Protocol is settled

It’s no surprise: further diplomatic efforts are needed to clear political disagreements before the UK and Switzerland can finalise Horizon Europe association. The European Commission is waiting for “transversal” political issues to be resolved before it moves forward with association talks...

sciencebusiness.net

As I said, we now have the benefits of membership of the prestigious research programmes without all that supra national state/ever closer union nonsense to worry about ... its called taking back control.

What you still don't get, is that those you are arguing with are team UK.