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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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A1X

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Weird how the EU talked for a couple of hours about breaking the NI protocol then quickly decided against it and that generated far more news coverage than the UK actually breaking it twice.
 




nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Weird how the EU talked for a couple of hours about breaking the NI protocol then quickly decided against it and that generated far more news coverage than the UK actually breaking it twice.

You have understand Harry and Megan are much bigger news. Most of the UK press are failing us...
 




ManOfSussex

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Apr 11, 2016
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With only 4 weeks until the next lot of regulations come in for NI, Johnson has decided he is unable to implement the solution he put forward for the border in the Irish Sea and is going to unilaterally change it.

UK announces it will unilaterally change Brexit deal with EU, risking new confrontation with Brussels


Boris Johnson’s government has announced that it will unilaterally change a part of the Northern Ireland Brexit deal to better to suit British businesses – risking yet another confrontation with Brussels. While most of Westminster had its eyes on the Budget, ministers announced they would extend a grace period for UK supermarkets and suppliers to adapt to new trade barriers across the Irish Sea.

Supermarkets in Northern Ireland have struggled with supply issues since Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal came into force on 1 January – but the problem is expected to worsen when an existing grace period ends. The temporary relaxation of checks had been due to expire at the end of this month.

The EU says it is not possible for the UK to unilaterally change a deal it has already signed and ratified. Ignoring the international agreement would likely be a breach of international law, echoing the showdown over the UK’s Internal Market Bill last year. The EU and UK had been discussing the issue at the so-called “joint committee” set up to govern the deal.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-change-uk-eu-latest-b1811909.html

With everyone concentrating on the budget, Johnson decides to break International law again. I can't see what could possibly go wrong :facepalm:

All going well with that in regards to Northern Ireland this morning.:

EU forced to take legal action as UK ‘cannot be trusted’ on protocol, says Coveney - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...be-trusted-on-protocol-says-coveney-1.4500990

Loyalist paramilitary groups withdraw support for Belfast Agreement - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...hdraw-support-for-belfast-agreement-1.4500982
 


A1X

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You have understand Harry and Megan are much bigger news. Most of the UK press are failing us...

Well obviously. Especially as they're literally the only royals who've done anything dodgy in the last few years.
 




WATFORD zero

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All going well with that in regards to Northern Ireland this morning.:

EU forced to take legal action as UK ‘cannot be trusted’ on protocol, says Coveney - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...be-trusted-on-protocol-says-coveney-1.4500990

Loyalist paramilitary groups withdraw support for Belfast Agreement - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...hdraw-support-for-belfast-agreement-1.4500982

It's almost as if the Brexit that Johnson, Farage etc campaigned for and got a huge number of people to vote for, isn't actually viable :shrug:

Johnson got given completely free reign to negotiate and sign off on what he called 'A Great Brexit Deal' but is unable to implement the UK's commitments within it. It appears that someone got it badly wrong either through sheer incompetence or for personal gain, and just 8 weeks into 'The Great Brexit Deal' the panic has started.

So what's our answer ? To completely ignore what we negotiated (our preferred solution, the NI Protocol), and signed off 8 weeks ago and break International law again :facepalm:

If only someone had pointed this potential issue out years ago just after the vote and before the negotiations started

There were only ever three options

1/ Hard Border between NI and Ireland
2/ Hard Border between NI and rest of Britain and NI operates under EU rules.
3/ No Hard Border and GB operates under EU rules.

Whatever other waffle is wrapped around it those are the options. It's really not that complicated.

It's not about abandoning Brexit, It's about implementing it

..............Oh
 


vegster

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May 5, 2008
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It's almost as if the Brexit that Johnson, Farage etc campaigned for and got a huge number of people to vote for, isn't actually viable :shrug:

Johnson got given completely free reign to negotiate and sign off on what he called 'A Great Brexit Deal' but is unable to implement the UK's commitments within it. It appears that someone got it badly wrong either through sheer incompetence or for personal gain, and just 8 weeks into 'The Great Brexit Deal' the panic has started.

So what's our answer ? To completely ignore what we committed to 8 weeks ago and break International law again :facepalm:

If only someone had pointed this potential issue out years ago before the negotiations started



..............Oh
Wasn't there also an offer to extend the Transition Period in order to avoid being hasty and ending up in an unworkable agreement?...
 






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sparkie

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Jul 17, 2003
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That would be the exact same section that TM tried earlier in the week and was immediately kicked into touch by the DUP then.

There were only ever three options

1/ Hard Border between NI and Ireland
2/ Hard Border between NI and rest of Britain and NI operates under EU rules.
3/ No Hard Border and GB operates under EU rules.

Whatever other waffle is wrapped around it those are the options and we've gone for 3. It's really not that complicated.

It's not about abandoning Brexit, It's about implementing it

It is so depressing that people have fallen for the big lie in bold.

We could negotiate EEA membership through the EFTA pillar. This does not involve following EU rules as such ( <---- the big lie ) - it instead involves having a sovereign seat at the table when EEA rules are being formulated between the EU and the EFTA states. Kick any rules we don't like out at that stage before they even get on the books. Of course you take the rules at the point you join but going forward it is all ongoing sovereign decisions. The same sovereign decisions that are made negotiating any trade deals.

On the other hand maybe that makes dodgy "Freeport" Charter Cities more difficult :shrug: and we now have the real end game in play for the Libertarian Elite's grand Brexit plot.
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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It's almost as if the Brexit that Johnson, Farage etc campaigned for and got a huge number of people to vote for, isn't actually viable :shrug:

Johnson got given completely free reign to negotiate and sign off on what he called 'A Great Brexit Deal' but is unable to implement the UK's commitments within it. It appears that someone got it badly wrong either through sheer incompetence or for personal gain, and just 8 weeks into 'The Great Brexit Deal' the panic has started.

So what's our answer ? To completely ignore what we negotiated (our preferred solution, the NI Protocol), and signed off 8 weeks ago and break International law again :facepalm:

If only someone had pointed this potential issue out years ago just after the vote and before the negotiations started

..............Oh

Were leavers ignorant, stupid or just didn't care about the UK?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-36587809

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JC Footy Genius

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Jun 9, 2015
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It is so depressing that people have fallen for the big lie in bold.

We could negotiate EEA membership through the EFTA pillar. This does not involve following EU rules as such ( <---- the big lie ) - it instead involves having a sovereign seat at the table when EEA rules are being formulated between the EU and the EFTA states. Kick any rules we don't like out at that stage before they even get on the books. Of course you take the rules at the point you join but going forward it is all ongoing sovereign decisions. The same sovereign decisions that are made negotiating any trade deals.

On the other hand maybe that makes dodgy "Freeport" Charter Cities more difficult :shrug: and we now have the real end game in play for the Libertarian Elite's grand Brexit plot.
Skipping over your understandale disdain for people pushing big lies ... basically you're telling us there weren't only ever three options then ... interesting.

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WATFORD zero

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Skipping over your understandale disdain for people pushing big lies ... basically you're telling us there weren't only ever three options then ... interesting.

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If we were to have stayed in the single market there were a whole load of other options available including EEA, but since we had already ruled out staying in the single market, those options were no longer available.

It's really quite simple to understand :shrug:
 
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