[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

So why aren't the Brexiters parading this option round the streets as the Brexit which works?

the leave camp is split with only the hard line having any action. as a wider alternative to further EU integration it requires EU to back it. it may be the outcome of further negotiations, but to get that far we need to conclude the WA.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I do agree that IF there is a "National Unity" government the best option would be a Conservative leader, however, I think Ken is a bit too old now for the job. I can't think of a good alternative though. 'm not a Conservative voter but they did get more seats than any other party at the last general election.

The Government of National Unity proposition is problematic in all sorts of ways (some of which I can't even think of but I'm sure they are out there!). I think the main one is that it cuts against the reflexive tribal politics that our system is built on, bless its little cotton socks. As has already been flagged, a major issue will be who leads it. This morning Peter Kyle - surely one of the most reasonable, non-tribal Labour backbenchers - was asked whether he would support a government of this type if it were not headed by Jeremy Corbyn. He didn't exactly say yes - but he didn't say no either. My point is that if he is troubled by this proposition, then for common or garden Corbynista MPs it might be an 'over my dead body' proposition - as it would be for virtually all non-Labour MPs if it were Corbyn himself who was slated to lead such a government.

I'd actually favour this solution over a no-deal Brexit utter disaster (messy as it would be) but I find it very hard to imagine who would be an 'acceptable' leader. I'm not sure what the odds are but Caroline Lucas might be a very long odds punt? If this sounds ridiculous, try slotting in another name (I'd also go for Keir Starmer,).

 

[Eeyore]

The Government of National Unity proposition is problematic in all sorts of ways (some of which I can't even think of but I'm sure they are out there!). I think the main one is that it cuts against the reflexive tribal politics that our system is built on, bless its little cotton socks. As has already been flagged, a major issue will be who leads it. This morning Peter Kyle - surely one of the most reasonable, non-tribal Labour backbenchers - was asked whether he would support a government of this type if it were not headed by Jeremy Corbyn. He didn't exactly say yes - but he didn't say no either. My point is that if he is troubled by this proposition, then for common or garden Corbynista MPs it might be an 'over my dead body' proposition - as it would be for virtually all non-Labour MPs if it were Corbyn himself who was slated to lead such a government.

I'd actually favour this solution over a no-deal Brexit utter disaster (messy as it would be) but I find it very hard to imagine who would be an 'acceptable' leader. I'm not sure what the odds are but Caroline Lucas might be a very long odds punt? If this sounds ridiculous, try slotting in another name (I'd also go for Keir Starmer,).

I think a unity government would be a very short term fix to avoid 'no deal'. That's why I would put forward Ken Clarke on the basis that the intention was to call an election once, and if, the BREXIT situation was resolved.

In reality it's all redundant. If there is a majority in parliament for a government of national unity, then a majority is there to stop BREXIT via the statute books.

 

[Baldseagull]

you see and understand the issues, they are gradually working towards this.

There are already areas of the EU in which not all members take part, so to some extent a two, or even three speed EU exists. The issue will arise in areas which affect the functioning of the Single Market.
The big issue is taxation, States like Luxembourg and to a lesser extent Ireland offer low corporate tax rates and access to the single market. It means the head office of corporations can locate there, and pay corporation tax at a lower rate for all their EU derived profits. This is also a reason services are not easily included in trade deals, unless the taxation systems between one area and another are fairly similar. It creates an advantage for a corporation to be based in one location over the other, to the detriment of the tax revenues of the other.
To be honest, this will be an issue for all countries in the world as more and more people earn their money digitally, and can travel the world to avoid being resident for more than half the year in any tax authorities boundary. Income taxes are going to be hard to collect fairly, with those tied to a geographical location for work not able to avoid them, and those who can move and earn anywhere not paying anything at all to anyone. This will probably end up with a shift worldwide to placing higher taxes on purchases and consumption, taxing global digital business is going to be best handled by larger tax authorities.
I think the EU is going to be better able to get deals done around the world to reduce the ability of the wealthy to hide their wealth, I think Rees-Mogg agrees with me too and is a major motivator for him to get out.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Still leaving as instructed in the Referendum result /,Democracy wins , I mean that most sincerely
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...al-update-Dominic-Raab-Boris-Johnson-Leave-EU
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

i think a unity government would be a very short term fix to avoid 'no deal'. That's why i would put forward ken clarke on the basis that the intention was to call an election once, and if, the brexit situation was resolved.

In reality it's all redundant. If there is a majority in parliament for a government of national unity, then a majority is there to stop brexit via the statute books.

thus ignoring the electorate , yes that makes sense
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The Government of National Unity proposition is problematic in all sorts of ways (some of which I can't even think of but I'm sure they are out there!). I think the main one is that it cuts against the reflexive tribal politics that our system is built on, bless its little cotton socks. As has already been flagged, a major issue will be who leads it. This morning Peter Kyle - surely one of the most reasonable, non-tribal Labour backbenchers - was asked whether he would support a government of this type if it were not headed by Jeremy Corbyn. He didn't exactly say yes - but he didn't say no either. My point is that if he is troubled by this proposition, then for common or garden Corbynista MPs it might be an 'over my dead body' proposition - as it would be for virtually all non-Labour MPs if it were Corbyn himself who was slated to lead such a government.

I'd actually favour this solution over a no-deal Brexit utter disaster (messy as it would be) but I find it very hard to imagine who would be an 'acceptable' leader. I'm not sure what the odds are but Caroline Lucas might be a very long odds punt? If this sounds ridiculous, try slotting in another name (I'd also go for Keir Starmer,).

two of the most deluded people in this whole Brexit saga, i reckon chucky and Soubry are worth a shout
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

God bless the BBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwsiDJAdX7k
the gift that keeps on giving
regards
DR

 

[Eeyore]

thus ignoring the electorate , yes that makes sense
regards
DR

A 'no deal' BREXIT is ignoring the public.

Two thirds are against it.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Dear fellow NSC Brexit Thread user,

There used to be an unwritten protocol that an Albion match-day, particularly a Saturday one, would see a voluntary cessation of activity on this thread. At some point last season this convention, regrettably, fell very much by the wayside. Can I politely suggest that with the new Albion season starting tomorrow you consider restarting observing and respecting this convention as I will be, or at least attempt giving it a go for a few weeks.

Whether you're going to Hertfordshire tomorrow for the game or not, have a nice weekend whatever you're doing.

Thank-you.

 

[Eeyore]

Dear fellow NSC Brexit Thread user,

There used to be an unwritten protocol that an Albion match-day, particularly a Saturday one, would see a voluntary cessation of activity on this thread. At some point last season this convention, regrettably, fell very much by the wayside. Can I politely suggest that with the new Albion season starting tomorrow you consider restarting observing and respecting this convention as I will be, or at least attempt giving it a go for a few weeks.

Whether you're going to Hertfordshire tomorrow for the game or not, have a nice weekend whatever you're doing.

Thank-you.

What will PPF do ? Be fair.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

We don't care what you racists think

You back from a ban Plooks or is it only your signature that is banned ?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

A 'no deal' BREXIT is ignoring the public.

Two thirds are against it.

no it's not ,no one voted for a deal, keep on dreaming, the electorate can't be ignored on the referendum result otherwise it's a free for all on any future public vote, some people dreaming of an election well all i can say is the major party's would get HAMMERED , leave means leave no more stalling
regards
DR

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

no it's not ,no one voted for a deal, keep on dreaming, the electorate can't be ignored on the referendum result otherwise it's a free for all on any future public vote, some people dreaming of an election well all i can say is the major party's would get HAMMERED , leave means leave no more stalling
regards
DR

Millions of people voted for a deal you lemon !!

[emoji38]ol:

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You back from a ban Plooks or is it only your signature that is banned ?

i'm starting to feel sorry for him now, bless his little cotton socks
regards
DR

 

[Eeyore]

no it's not ,no one voted for a deal, keep on dreaming, the electorate can't be ignored on the referendum result otherwise it's a free for all on any future public vote, some people dreaming of an election well all i can say is the major party's would get HAMMERED , leave means leave no more stalling
regards
DR

You've never mentioned that.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Millions of people voted for a deal you lemon !!

[emoji38]ol:

leave or remain ................tell me who won ?
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You've never mentioned that.

what about he rest , selective reading again , mmmmmmmmmmmm
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What will PPF do ? Be fair.

no idea ?
regards
DR