Good grief. We have a POWER OF VETO.
I had you pegged as just uniformed.
Seems willfully uninformed is closer to the mark.
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Good grief. We have a POWER OF VETO.
I had you pegged as just uniformed.
Seems willfully uninformed is closer to the mark.
https://www.forces.net/news/britain-not-going-be-participating-european-army-says-defence-secretary
A more detailed explanation of what is actually meant by an EU “army”. It’s not what you think. It’s a co-ordination of security forces, not an “army”
https://www.themilitarytimes.co.uk/defence-security/the-uk-will-not-join-a-european-army/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ck-does-the-eu-want-a-european-super-army?amp
It has also been established that although the EU Army is a myth, the U.K. would have always have a veto if such an army ever came into existence. There are no plans for this to come into existence. There are plans to have a more coordinated voluntary security service. They would never have the power to override the existing U.K. forces, force conscription or put British troops into harm’s way.
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I am not disputing we have the power of a Veto ..... but do you honestly see Corbyn or whoever is the LibDem leader using it to veto anything the EU suggest such as the two things I have said the EU hope for ? .... a Veto is only as good as the person who holds it in their hand which would be useless in the hands of Labour or LibDem leaders. Not that the Conservatives are any better as a political force but your assumption that we have a Veto so we will use it can not be upheld unless you have a crystal ball in which case what are the winning lottery ticket numbers please ?
No you didn't. How EXACTLY am I 'privilaged' .... now answer the question directly ..... you'd get zero in an exam so far.
Well, now you have now entirely changed tack, from "I heard from reputable sources that all EU nations will be forced to join the Euro by 2020", and "There are plans for an EU Army", to "The UK Government of the day might WANT to choose a path I don't like".
Honestly, if you are concerned about joining the Euro or a Euro Army please have a read of the links I posted. They should put your mind at rest and quash any fears you may have.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
I thought MEP's did it after being told who to vote for.
Well, now you have now entirely changed tack, from "I heard from reputable sources that all EU nations will be forced to join the Euro by 2020", and "There are plans for an EU Army", to "The UK Government of the day might WANT to choose a path I don't like".
Not at all .... I simply pointed out that the proposals for closer ties include an EU Army , a Financial Commissioner/Director and that I had heard a reputable person on a reputable TV News channel report that countries would be forced to use the Euro (opt out or not) from 2022
Oh spot the difference from what I said and the link that was posted earlier ... I said 2022 ... the link reports on 2020 ... two entirely different dates.
As for pointing out that a Veto is only as good as who holds it in their hand was a response to your shouting we have a Veto ( I am not deaf or blind so why you felt the need to shout just shows you cant handle a conversation in a civil way ) , your claim we have a Veto is fine but only if its used when required.
You need to do some research.
You're wrong again.
The veto in the scenarios proposed, isn't "only as good as who holds it" at all. Either of those things (the UK adopting the Euro, or joining your mythical EU Army) would require a public referendum.
Bold Seagull
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If we remained in the EU, I would suggest out of all the leaders we have now and in the past few decades, Labour and Tory, he would be the most likely to use our veto against the EU over any of the others.
I thank you for the links but I am of the mind I wish this country to control this country including its finances , military , laws & trade deals. Its my preference I have never said otherwise , what I originally pointed out which has somehow got lost is that its almost a certainty we are heading for a referendum and that the choices will both have major drawbacks including Remain which everybody assumes will mean the status quo which if the EU gets its way for closer ties most certainly wont be the case.
Baldseagull
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I think the majority opinion, and not a slim one, is against economic glory from Brexit, but that aside, there are political considerations that economists can choose not concern themselves with, like The Good Friday agreement.
Baldseagull
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Yeah, but they just knee-cap drug dealers and thieves these days.
I can only conclude that because you seem unwilling to listen to the actual truth of the matter that you aren’t interested in the facts but only the flimsy ideas that “justify” your Euro scepticism.
That’s a really odd , but unsurprising attitude to the truth.
I guess that’s why we are in this mess.
FFS. Remain DOES mean the status quo, unless we want it to mean otherwise. The EU will not, and can not 'get its way' for the closer (mythical) ties that you keep repeating, unless we agree to that. Which we won't.
Have a great weekend
Oh Goody yet more referendums .... that will make everything better ... see my other post where I simply say the point I was making is any second referendum will give poor choices for both sides as even 'Remain' is not as everyone says as keeping the status quo if the EU plans are acted upon , thats not the EU we are currently in that is a different EU.
Baldseagull
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Parliament would be forced to Revoke A50, not a good outcome, even as someone who would dearly love to remain, it should be because we choose it, not because we can't function.
Baldseagull
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That is utter bullshit, but I have seen it on Facebook before amongst a list of other bullshit, it really is not true, we will not ever have to take the Euro against our wishes.