[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

I feel your pain ... England winning in Dublin has made you all tired and emotional petal. Nighty night

Wrong again Footy Genius. Coupled with a disappointing, freezing game at The Amex, it was the losing by 10 wickets in Antigua upon heading home that made me tired and emotional.

Anyway, on top of all that, I really don't want to talk to Brexit ignoramuses on Ireland like you anymore. As I say, it's embarrassing frankly. When it comes to Ireland, you're probably one of those bigoted, Brexit voting, English ignoramuses that actually thinks that 1980's, school holidays, kids TV great - 'Why Don't You?' - exclusively featured kids from Northern Ireland making things out of Kelloggs Cornflakes boxes and sticky back plastic cut by a responsible adult with scissors. Northern Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Scouse - they're all the same to you, aren't they.



Why don't you have some epic to go with your fail.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Although he's correct about the x-trail being more about the decline of diesel than Brexit. Well that's what the FT is reporting.

The only news this morning I've seen is the front page of The Sunday Times in regards to the Queen. Not content with 'Panic' it appears you're now creating another song by The Smiths as a result of your Brexit at any price/Anarchy in The Uk utopia.

 

[nicko31]

I know You love to revel in any job losses since 2016, particularly if it happens to be in a strong Independence voting constituency, but if You peer beyond the headlines Nissan are stating there will be negligible or no job losses as production of X-trail has not even begun at the Sunderland plant.Halting of X-trail production is primarily due to the lack of desire for diesel.Qashqi production continues apace.Why let the truth spoil your moisture though eh?


In other news, we are to be overrun by plagues of rats in search of iceberg lettuce and the Royal family is to be evacuated.The Luftwaffe couldn’t get them to go but a distinct lack of cherry tomatoes will see them flee.




On our way.


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Few job loses but without new investment for Nissan Sunderland there is no long term future

Nice closing line in your post...

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Maybe you can find it in the same place where some remainers who had many reservations about the political drive to ever closer union thought voting for the status quo would be sensible or the many remainers who had serious concerns about immigration believed voting for the status quo would make a difference or those (most amusingly of all) that believed a vote to stay would have meant the UK suddenly leading the agenda to direct the EU in a direction more to our liking. #unicornmembership

Tedious and revealing deflection. The only defence you might have for ignoring the questions is that they weren't directed at you in the first place. (The person to whom they were has, in the way of so many Leavers, so far failed to answer them too.)

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Few job loses but without new investment for Nissan Sunderland there is no long term future

Nice closing line in your post...

It’s how these things start

No new model, the current one stops being made then factory closes

Still, they voted leave and knew what they wanted. Y

 

[nicko31]

It’s how these things start

No new model, the current one stops being made then factory closes

Still, they voted leave and knew what they wanted. Y

Bizarre how the Tory right essentially exploited the left behinds to fulfil their own idealistic agenda, yet it was largely their austerity that created these very conditions. Tragic...

 

[ManOfSussex]

The backstop is about peace: Britain must stand by it

With just 54 days to go until the UK leaves the EU, the UK’s decision to seek to reopen the withdrawal agreement, and replace the backstop, has caused disappointment and dismay in Dublin and across Europe.

In December 2017, and again last March, the UK pledged to prevent a hard border in all circumstances. On November 25, the EU and the UK reached a deal that delivered on our shared objectives of protecting the Good Friday agreement and peace. It is now time for the UK to keep its word, to deliver on these commitments and on its responsibilities.

The backstop is required by all of us. This is not about trade or economics, but about people and peace. The objective of the backstop is simple — to ensure the protection of the Good Friday agreement, the single biggest achievement we share with successive British governments. It is not an inconvenience but an international agreement that underpins relationships across these islands.

The agreement ended 30 years of violent conflict that cost more than 3,600 lives. Removing a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland has been integral to the consolidation of a fragile peace. More than 300 miles long, with some 200 road crossings, the invisible border allows people to cross unimpeded every day to work, study and visit family. It is built on UK and Irish membership of the EU’s single market and customs union, complemented by the common travel area.

While we respect the decision of the UK to leave the EU, the reality is that Brexit undermines this delicate balance. We must have certainty that the political commitments given by the UK regarding a hard border are put into practice. But how do we do this in a way that respects the UK’s red lines of leaving the customs union and the single market? The answer, after almost two years of complex negotiations, is the backstop, which was shaped just as much by the UK as the EU.

MPs voted to ask the UK government to seek “alternative arrangements”. This is not a new concept. The EU is committed to trying to agree alternative arrangements to replace the backstop. We want a comprehensive future relationship in place by the end of 2020 so the backstop is never used. We want to get on with that work once the withdrawal agreement is ratified. Yet there are no credible alternative arrangements, put forward by anyone, that achieve the shared goal of the UK and EU to avoid a hard border.

The backstop is a necessary guarantee, based on legal certainty, not just wishful thinking. A time limit or unilateral exit mechanism would make that guarantee redundant, prolonging uncertainty for Northern Ireland’s people.

The EU will not renegotiate the withdrawal agreement and there will be no withdrawal agreement without the backstop. However, the EU is prepared to look again at the political declaration to make it more ambitious in terms of the future relationship, if the UK so wishes. There is a deal on the table, and walking away from it will have serious consequences for us all. Decision-makers have a duty to listen to all voices in Northern Ireland, where the majority of people support the withdrawal agreement.

The Irish and British governments have travelled a difficult — and sometimes tragic — road together but have found a way to build a peace process based on honest partnership. Let’s not take risks with our precious peace.

Simon Coveney is Ireland’s deputy prime minister and minister for foreign affairs and trade.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-backstop-is-about-peace-britain-must-stand-by-it-hbnkc2fcq

 

[clapham_gull]

Peace in Northern Ireland was enabled this side of the water by pragmatic centrist MPs. Neither the right wing of the Conservative party of the left of Labour had much to do with it.

I'm not sure Rees Mogg or Corbyn give much of a toss.

Rees Mogg would have to be shown a map of Ireland and Corbyn wants it to be one country.

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[pwlr1966]

Should consumers boycott companies that pull out of uk due to brexit?

Are you enclined to boycott companies/ products that have pulled out of the U.K.? Would it have any affect on them/you. Just comparing to the good folks who would not step inside the Goldstone retail park! Thoughts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561

 

[Sussex Nomad]

All very well saying it, no-one ever enforces it.

 

[Springal]

Life would be pretty tough if we did

Nissan, Sony, airbus, Panasonic, Dyson, Jaguar Land Rover, just off the top of my head.

More shame on our government for not listening

 

[Mackenzie]

Buy British.

 

[Stat Brother]

We'd be better off boycotting the idiots who started, continued with and will eventually screw us over because of this gargantuan fook up.

 

[Springal]

Buy British.

Bring back British Leyland

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes. I will be boycotting Dyson and Jacob Rees Mogg’s investment bank.

 

[Springal]

Are you enclined to boycott companies/ products that have pulled out of the U.K.? Would it have any affect on them/you. Just comparing to the good folks who would not step inside the Goldstone retail park! Thoughts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561

61% of the Mackems voted Leave so I am sure they’ll be ok with the consequences of this

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

61% of the Mackems voted Leave so I am sure they’ll be ok with the consequences of this

They should get over it. They won.

 

[larus]

Are you enclined to boycott companies/ products that have pulled out of the U.K.? Would it have any affect on them/you. Just comparing to the good folks who would not step inside the Goldstone retail park! Thoughts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561

This investment was cancelled for a variety of reasons (and the net effect is of circa 700 new jobs not being created). It does not affect investment in another model which is still going ahead. It is also linked to the problems with diesel sales being down, but it’s so easy for the usual suspects to start bed-wetting and say “it’s all down to this big, bad, Brexit”.

If Brexit was so bad, why aren’t we seeing it in the employment/unemployment figures or inward investment? We were told by all these experts, that even if we voted to leave we’d start to see the impacts straight away. Hmm, still waiting (awaits the bleating from some about a few jobs going to Frankfurt/Paris). The reality is the UK is still a very attractive place to do business for many reasons, and this ain’t going to change. Be just like the bleating about not joining the Euro.

 

[Icy Gull]

61% of the Mackems voted Leave so I am sure they’ll be ok with the consequences of this

Thought that through well

 

[Springal]

l It is also linked to the problems with diesel sales being down, but it’s so easy for the usual suspects to start bed-wetting and say “it’s all down to this big, bad, Brexit”.

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You’re aware that the car is available as a Diesel and Petrol right?