[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

Well I needn't worry as you've made clear my preferred option actually can't and never will happen

You know she's right

 

[WATFORD zero]

I wonder what is about the anarchy and chaos of no deal that appeals to you Westdene?

Panic on the streets of London?
Panic on the streets of Birmingham?

I wonder to myself.

Panic on the streets of Carlisle?
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside?

I wonder to myself.

Well to be fair, there's not a lot of other excitement in the arse end of Hangleton. Trust me, I know

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Are they all glad to be going?

To be fair, there are one or two who are near retirement and have volunteered for redundancy.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I wonder what is about the anarchy and chaos of no deal that appeals to you Westdene?

Panic on the streets of London?
Panic on the streets of Birmingham?

I wonder to myself.

Panic on the streets of Carlisle?
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside?

I wonder to myself.

Well for starters I don't believe there will be anarchy. I want out of the EU lock, stock and barrell - May's deal doesn't do that so, as things stand the only other option I could support is no deal. If May / the EU want to come up with a deal leavers such as myself would support then I'm all ears. Anarchy indeed

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No deal - no trade agreements and the only country in the world operating on WTO rules.

Who elects the WTO?

 

[WATFORD zero]

No deal - no trade agreements and the only country in the world operating on WTO rules.

Who elects the WTO?

It's quite interesting when you look into how the WTO is organised and structured.

Taking back control

 

[ManOfSussex]

Well for starters I don't believe there will be anarchy. I want out of the EU lock, stock and barrell - May's deal doesn't do that so, as things stand the only other option I could support is no deal. If May / the EU want to come up with a deal leavers such as myself would support then I'm all ears. Anarchy indeed

What would you call wanting the domestic and international legal, diplomatic, economic and political limbo we'd be in, ripping up the Good Friday Agreement, English and Scottish police officers assisting The PSNI as events unfold in Northern Ireland, The UK becoming an international pariah rather than just an international joke, stockpiling, shortages and the inevitable ensuing panic buying that police fear could lead to civil disorder aka looting ie the opportunity to nick trainers from Sports Direct?

Anarchy in The UK, isn't it? (and The Republic of Ireland - but that's their fault as they really should have known their place.)

Watching from 8000 miles away on Sky News, I always felt I missed out on the riots in 2011 as they snowballed across England. I'm not a anarchist like yourself, and one shouldn't condone such activities, but I have to be honest and say watching Sky News Sunrise with Eammon Holmes one morning and reading the breaking news yellow ticker bar saying that Sussex Police have advised that Morrisons in Hastings is closed today on their advice filled me with a certain air of pride.

 

[Blue3]

As far as I can see there has been no changing of minds regarding Brexit positions from contributors onto this thread over the past two and a half years.

I have not found any argument that has changed my view and I am unaware that I have influenced anyone to change their view.

Therefore is it time to separate archive this thread and start two new threads one exclusively for Remainers and the other exclusively for Leavers this way individuals can express views exclusively with all the individuals who agree with them.

 

[Blue3]

As far as I can see there has been no changing of minds regarding Brexit positions from contributors onto this thread over the past two and a half years.

I have not found any argument that has changed my view and I am unaware that I have influenced anyone to change their view.

Therefore is it time to separate archive this thread and start two new threads one exclusively for Remainers and the other exclusively for Leavers this was individuals can express views with all the individuals who agree with themselves.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

As far as I can see there has been no changing of minds regarding Brexit positions from contributors onto this thread over the past two and a half years.

I have not found any argument that has changed my view and I am unaware that I have influenced anyone to change their view.

Therefore is it time to separate archive this thread and start two new threads one exclusively for Remainers and the other exclusively for Leavers this was individuals can express views with all the individuals who agree with themselves.

I've changed my mind in that I wanted to Remain, but now I prefer to leave with a Common Market 2.0 ( Norway-like ) exit.

However, I would not vote leave now because my vote would be *twisted* to claim that I wanted a *no deal* disaster.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I've changed my mind in that I wanted to Remain, but now I prefer to leave with a Common Market 2.0 ( Norway-like ) exit.

However, I would not vote leave now because my vote would be *twisted* to claim that I wanted a *no deal* disaster.

That's fair enough, but the one thing I would ask. Why do you think a deal that was specifically put together to suit Norway's GDP breakdown, International trade, and national interests would be better than the deal Britain has negotiated over the last 40 years to suit Britain's GDP breakdown, International trade and national interests, a completely different set of requirements ?

*edit*
(It's just that when I used to be in business, one my bigbug bears was companies and organisations that would ask me to do what I had done elsewhere, and I would have to explain that what I did was because of a certain set of requirements. And I don't think I ever found two sets of requirements so similar, that the exact same solution would fit both, the bigger the organisation the more so )

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

That's fair enough, but the one thing I would ask. Why do you think a deal that was specifically put together to suit Norway's GDP breakdown, International trade, and national interests would be better than the deal Britain has negotiated over the last 40 years to suit Britain's GDP breakdown, International trade and national interests, a completely different set of requirements ?

Well, I don't mean a copy of all the nuances of Norway's exact deal. I mean EFTA and EEA membership, tailored in any transition period to us.

Besides benefits of leaving ever closer union, the EU Parliament tier of democracy, the supposed EU army etc, the following Twitter thread absolutely SOLD me :

https://twitter.com/AdrianYalland/status/1073867169723756544?s=19

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well, I don't mean a copy of all the nuances of Norway's exact deal. I mean EFTA and EEA membership, tailored in any transition period to us.

Besides benefits of leaving ever closer union, the EU Parliament tier of democracy, the supposed EU army etc, the following Twitter thread absolutely SOLD me :

https://twitter.com/AdrianYalland/status/1073867169723756544?s=19

I think that twitter thread puts some very good points forward for a Norway deal, I suspect from a Norway deal supporter trying to prove that we could have as much influence out of the EU as in. I'm afraid that is fundamentally wrong.

There is no doubt that Britain has far more power to steer from within the EU than in a 'Norway style' relationship. We currently have the ability to veto or opt out of any closer union, as we have for the last 40 years and yet still remain one of the most powerful influences on the most powerful trading bloc in the world.

I'm glad you said 'the supposed EU army' as I think this is veering into 'straight bananas' and 'people not being deported because they have a cat' territory.

Any excuse



Maybe we will just have to agree to disagree

 

[A1X]

Therefore is it time to separate archive this thread and start two new threads one exclusively for Remainers and the other exclusively for Leavers this way individuals can express views exclusively with all the individuals who agree with them.

Echo chambers are arguably one of the main reasons why we're in this mess in the first place, I'm afraid.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Well for starters I don't believe there will be anarchy. I want out of the EU lock, stock and barrell - May's deal doesn't do that so, as things stand the only other option I could support is no deal. If May / the EU want to come up with a deal leavers such as myself would support then I'm all ears. Anarchy indeed

Why would we retry and come up with a deal for leavers such as yourself, you are a small minority

 

[The Clamp]

I think that twitter thread puts some very good points forward for a Norway deal, I suspect from a Norway deal supporter trying to prove that we could have as much influence out of the EU as in. I'm afraid that is fundamentally wrong.

There is no doubt that Britain has far more power to steer from within the EU than in a 'Norway style' relationship. We currently have the ability to veto or opt out of any closer union, as we have for the last 40 years and yet still remain one of the most powerful influences on the most powerful trading bloc in the world.

I'm glad you said 'the supposed EU army' as I think this is veering into 'straight bananas' and 'people not being deported because they have a cat' territory.

Any excuse



Maybe we will just have to agree to disagree

Nasty, vicious, evil old bitch.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...es-london-office-with-loss-of-900-jobs-brexit

Doesn't really require a comment from me.

 

[Triggaaar]

As far as I can see there has been no changing of minds regarding Brexit positions from contributors onto this thread over the past two and a half years.

I have not found any argument that has changed my view and I am unaware that I have influenced anyone to change their view.

Indeed. I'm surprised half the regulars haven't been banned from the thread for consistent abuse.

Therefore is it time to separate archive this thread and start two new threads one exclusively for Remainers and the other exclusively for Leavers this way individuals can express views exclusively with all the individuals who agree with them.

It's not the worst idea floating about.

 

[Triggaaar]

I think that twitter thread puts some very good points forward for a Norway deal, I suspect from a Norway deal supporter trying to prove that we could have as much influence out of the EU as in. I'm afraid that is fundamentally wrong.

That would be wrong, but they didn't say that did they?

 

[portslade seagull]

It's great news portslade. A bit like being on the Titanic and reading there was Filet mignon and French ice cream for dinner.

But your bad news hasn't actually happened yet. It's all supposition of what might/could or never happen. I bet none of you will ever admit you were wrong if things stay positive after Brexit it's just not in your constitution's.