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Bizarre Scenes At Ninian Park



Jul 5, 2003
3,245
Cardiff
Here's a story for those of you who like a bit of football trivia:

History was almost certainly made at Ninian Park yesterday afternoon when Gillingham player/manager Andy Hessenthaler was sent off, only to reappear five minutes later as a substitute!

Hessenthaler was sent from the dugout to the stands by referee Andy Hall in the 35th minute after he'd got involved in a dispute with the fourth official.

He then reappeared on the touchline 5 minutes later and brought himself on as a substitute. And, to further complicate matters, he also got himself booked during the second half!
 










Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
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That's fantastic. Guaranteed that'll be on A Question of Sport's 'What Happened Next' segment before too long.
 






Van der Gully

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Jul 10, 2003
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That is bizarre, anybody know if it is totally legal, sounds a bit suss to me that if you are sent as manager from the sidelines to later appear on the pitch.

Would have been even better if he had sent off as a player as well, can't think anyone has ever had two red cards in the same game before. Could lead to a bit of a schizophrenic moment afterwards with him as the manager bollocking himself as a player for the red card.
 


MRRF 10

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Van der Gully said:
That is bizarre, anybody know if it is totally legal, sounds a bit suss to me that if you are sent as manager from the sidelines to later appear on the pitch.

Would have been even better if he had sent off as a player as well, can't think anyone has ever had two red cards in the same game before. Could lead to a bit of a schizophrenic moment afterwards with him as the manager bollocking himself as a player for the red card.

:lolol:
 




Jul 5, 2003
3,245
Cardiff
Van der Gully said:
That is bizarre, anybody know if it is totally legal, sounds a bit suss to me that if you are sent as manager from the sidelines to later appear on the pitch.

Would have been even better if he had sent off as a player as well, can't think anyone has ever had two red cards in the same game before. Could lead to a bit of a schizophrenic moment afterwards with him as the manager bollocking himself as a player for the red card.


There was quite a lengthy debate amongst the officials as to whether Hessenthaler should be allowed to come on as a sub, and there was much shrugging of shoulders. I don't think any of them actually knew what the ruling was, or indeed if there actually is a ruling to cover this situation.

The ref even had a quick word with Lennie Lawrence, and he too shrugged his shoulders. I think the general opinion seemed to be that, as City were 3-0 up at the time and absolutely murdering Gillingham, Hessenthaler's introduction wasn't really likely to make too much difference anyway. And so it proved!

As it happens, the Gills boss was indeed lucky not to be sent off a second time. He was guilty of several late challenges after his booking. I think the ref decided to be lenient as things were already complicated enough as it was!
 


Theatre of Trees

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Jul 5, 2003
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Isn't there somebody who got sent off in the last World Cup having not played a game in it? Can't remember who it was/

I wonder what would have happened had Hessethaler done what Mike Newell did a few weeks back.
 


Van der Gully

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Jul 10, 2003
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This thread got me thinking that it might be possible for a player to be sent off in a game, for it then to be abandoned, and for him to have served his suspension by the time the game was replayed. He would surely be eligible to play in the rescheduled game and be sent off again, thus having managed the feat twice in the same fixture, although it wasn't in fact the same game.

I suppose it is possible for a player to be sent off from the bench, without actually entering the field of play, after all you sometimes hear of a person having received a red card for an incident in the tunnel following the end of a game.

This is rapidly developing into the most bizarre sending off thread, can anyone come up with any more?
 




Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
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Gascoigne in his prime knicking the ref's red card and brandishing it at him was a classic moment, as well as him sniffing the ref's armpit when he raised his arm to brandish a card.
 


Van der Gully

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Didn't he get booked for doing that. Mind you Shearer borrowed the refs card and showed it to him in a game the other week after the man in black had accidently hit a player in the face.
 


Sam

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Jul 22, 2003
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Van der Gully said:
Didn't he get booked for doing that. Mind you Shearer borrowed the refs card and showed it to him in a game the other week after the man in black had accidently hit a player in the face.


about to say that, its was brilliant, and it was all taken as a joke when shearer showed the ref the red card!
 




DTES

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Jul 7, 2003
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This really is bizarre, and I'm sure the rules were broken. I've trained as a ref, and I know for certain that normally if a substitute is "sent off" it bars him from coming on later in the game. Surely whatever offence was commited to earn the sending off was commited by Hessenthaler the substitute, , he can't claim "no, only the manager in me said that"?! Hence he's not allowed to enter the field of play. I suspect the ref involved got more of a bollocking than Hessenthaler would have given himself...
 






Scotty Mac

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Jul 13, 2003
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Van der Gully said:
That is bizarre, anybody know if it is totally legal, sounds a bit suss to me that if you are sent as manager from the sidelines to later appear on the pitch.

Would have been even better if he had sent off as a player as well, can't think anyone has ever had two red cards in the same game before. Could lead to a bit of a schizophrenic moment afterwards with him as the manager bollocking himself as a player for the red card.

didn't vialli get sent off as a player, then as the manager once for chelsea?
 




Van der Gully

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Jul 10, 2003
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Not sure of the exact ruling but I think that if you are sent off as a player you must leave the field of play, including the dug out, and may only go and sit in the stands. Surely this ruling would also apply if you were player manager, anyone dismissed from play cannot then say that they are now the manager and just remain on the touchline.
 


Exiled in Exeter

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Jul 16, 2003
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What a rather odd incident! Surely just after being sent off though might not be the best time to come on anyway as the officials may just be marginally annoyed with you all ready?
 


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