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There's already been rumours, and now she's dead maybe some evidence will be found.
QUOTE]Evidence of what??.... that she was complicit in Saville's sexual abuse of children and women?..... are you completely mad?
There's already been rumours, and now she's dead maybe some evidence will be found.
QUOTE]Evidence of what??.... that she was complicit in Saville's sexual abuse of children and women?..... are you completely mad?
There's already been rumours, and now she's dead maybe some evidence will be found.
Until then the use of the photo as the headline is rather amusing. No?
Agreed - inappropriate selection of words !
A little different from [MENTION=20456]ALBION28[/MENTION] 's post ! Baker, her education secretary, wanted to ban teaching about Nazis in history as well but it's hardly the banning of teaching history.
Centralising the curriculum certainly had an element of 'banning' teaching, so to speak.
Centralising the curriculum certainly had an element of 'banning' teaching, so to speak.
She divided the country between those who are willing to work hard and get on by their own efforts, and those who are willing to get on by the efforts of others.
Agreed but I'm not sure what the answer is - do we allow teachers / schools / LEAs teach what they want to teach or ensure that all school children get taught the same thing via a centralised curriculum that's open to political manipulation ?
Why was she staying at the Ritz?
Evidence of what??.... that she was complicit in Saville's sexual abuse of children and women?..... are you completely mad?
It was free accommodation
I'm not sure either! I think the system at the moment is far too centred on results (league tables, Ofsted, etc.), but that is an entrenched system now and would take massive upheaval to change. Teachers (for the most part) deserve more autonomy.
Agreed but I'm not sure what the answer is - do we allow teachers / schools / LEAs teach what they want to teach or ensure that all school children get taught the same thing via a centralised curriculum that's open to political manipulation ?
You are joking right? They cannot be trusted to not indoctrinate our young people with their left-wing ideals, as happened for years with so many beardy, jeans and cordroy wearing, lefties taking over our schools in the 60s, 70s and 80s. The National Curriculum is VITAL to ensure that there is an even standard of eduction. The Ofsted tables are also vital in telling parents which schools perform the best, and thus are the ones they should put their children into.
I assume you're mostly talking about state schools. Fee-paying or independent schools don't necessarily have to adhere to the National Curriculum.
Thatcher feared that teaching unions - and therefore by implication, all teachers - were training grounds for rampant Marxism, just because they were a union. Of course, like all aspects of society, individual teachers came from all kinds of backgrounds - left and right (when those ideologies held some meaning) - and not all teaching unions were or are even left-wing.
But seeing as teaching is of vital importance to the nation as a whole, successive governments (and many across the world) have sought to set the agenda as to both what is taught and how it is taught. Look at the ridiculous obsession with league tables, or what Michael Gove intends now, for instance.
Successive governments and ministers since the 1980s appear to have not yet realised that maybe, just maybe, most teachers do actually have a reasonable idea as to what they're doing. There needs to be guidelines and standards - but nothing like to the extent of interference from central government.
Agreed but where do those guidelines and standards stop ? For example, I'm a strong believer that we should teach all children about the first and second world wars ( and the causes leading up to them ) to try and prevent future wars but many people might thing we shouldn't.
History is possibly the one topic that's most subjective, but your example there defies logic. Would be interested to know the reasoning behind anyone's reluctance to have that aspect of history taught.
* Creationism. That can sod off.
With regards the history bit - it somewhat depends on how you teach it - here's what Baker suggests leaving out which I totally disagree with ! Stop teaching about the holocaust so that children see Germany in a better light, says Lord Baker - Telegraph[/I]
I'd always given you the benefit of the doubt but this diatribe is unbelievable !
Agreed but where do those guidelines and standards stop ? For example, I'm a strong believer that we should teach all children about the first and second world wars ( and the causes leading up to them ) to try and prevent future wars but many people might thing we shouldn't.
Odd... I work hard and get by on my own efforts. I loathed her.