Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

[soistes]

Its not debatable at all the country was a mess when she took over. However, it should be remembered that Ted Heath and Harold Wilson also played a role in its demise as well as James Callaghan.

Well the fact that I disagree with you shows that it is debatable. That's what "debatable" means -- it's when people take different sides in an argument surely?

 

[Lower West Stander]

Baroness Thatcher - RIP

You clearly were not around in the late 70s, or clearly too young or hidden away.

I remember the rubbish piling up on the streets & our dead not being buried. It really was that bad.

Thank goodness Thatcher came along & pulled Britain up by its knees, with strong leadership.

Our best EVER leader & will be remembered for all the good reasons in the history books in decades to come.

Misread my post - I totally agree with you.

was questioning previous assertion that it wasn't!

 

[East Preston Gull]

Re: Baroness Thatcher - RIP

Learn your politics and history.
Generalist drivel.

I have and I did thanks!

 

[SK1NT]

No matter your political views it is all very sad. She will go down in history and was a single minded strong willed and passionate leader. However Thatcher's undeniable genius lay in convincing people being done over that they were somehow winners while the real winners laughed at them.

RIP baroness

 

[Elvis]

It was Mrs Thatcher that privatised the utilities, however, I wouldn't say the Gordon Brown gold argument is peanuts!

Initially the privatisation worked if you remember, people made profits if they invested..... It just went too far.

Which sums up, her leadership. Short term boom, she never once thought about long term effects. Privatisation of National industry is economic madness!!!!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Complete tosh. Unemployment got no higher than 1.4m under Labour in 1979 (considerably lower than it is today, by the way). It then shot up from 1979 onwards, under Thatcher, peaking at 3.2m in 1984 (more than twice as high as under Labour). It was Thatcher who got it up to over 3m. She then gradually reduced it, but only at the cost of pushing hundreds of thousands of people off the unemployment count onto disability benefits.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Then was the winter of our discontent

 

[Socialist Sid]

If I go I,m going to applaud for the full 90 minutes.

Hooray, Hooray,
The bitch has gone away,
She sold our souls,
To her Tory Trolls,
The BITCH has gone away.

 

[Brixtaan]

I never celebrate a death, and my condolences go to the family of Margaret Thatcher, but I will remain dry eyed and tight lipped until enough time has passed to begin discussing her political life.

Very noble, see you here after dinner then

 

[East Preston Gull]

Re: Baroness Thatcher - RIP

I haven't read all of this thread, and I am no Tory apologist or Daily Mail reader yet in response to a comment on FB earlier, this is what I thought: 'doing what one says they're going to do, and actually doing it is, unfortunately, something that only happens on a minority of occasions in all walks of life. Thatcher is an easy target for revisionists, and people that weren't there. The fact is that GB was a bankrupt shit-hole in 1979, and a catalytic leader was required to create change. It doesn't matter from which political persuasion - as Blair has proved - true leaders will always create controversy, and will always take the blame, but they are the only ones capable of enforcing change. The rest is mediocrity...'

This. Best post of the thread!

 

[Barnham Seagull]

RIP

Great leader in a crisis and a real heavy weight. At the same time made some very divisive policy decisions which in some cases have done real long term problems however this could be levelled at many former PM's.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

This. The Gordon Brown gold argument is peanuts compared to this lot.

Funny how the losses incurred on "Black Monday" are never mentioned when discussing the losses made by IrnBru Gordy when he sold part of the Gold Reserve off at too low a price.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

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Which sums up, her leadership. Short term boom, she never once thought about long term effects. Privatisation of National industry is economic madness!!!!

Short term boom for a sustained period I would suggest and arguably for the tenure of her leadership. Labour tried to follow with the PFI schemes and they are proving to be a burden.

 

[dingodan]

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Frederic Bastiat

MT was one of the only British politicians willing to tell the British people that the government cannot do better for them, than they can do for themselves. What the government promises to give to you, it will take from someone else. What it promises to someone else, it will take from you. She was one of the only British politicians who believed that the government should promise you nothing but the freedom to live your life and make for yourself what you will. We need more like her.

RIP Maggie.

 

[Brixtaan]

Yes, absolutely. The mines were no longer viable, and costing too much to keep open. Simple as that. I have spoken with many people from mining families as I live in the midlands and meet them for work, football and rugby. Do you have any evidence for your bitterness?

You may well move in upwardly mobile circles in the midlands but your evidence flies in the face of every single opinion i've ever heard from a northerner regarding Mrs T. And that is why people suspect you of living in cliud cuckoo land.

 

[Questions]

You might not have agreed with her politics (I certainly didn't), however you have to admire her strength and resolve. Today's politicians are so weak & indecisive in comparison.

Strength and resolve ? What in destroying people and their towns and villages. You talk as if today's politicians have no conviction. Some do and some dont't but don't hold in high esteem someone just because they were so one tracked they couldn't see the whole picture.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Baroness Thatcher - RIP

You may well move in upwardly mobile circles in the midlands but your evidence flies in the face of every single opinion i've ever heard from a northerner regarding Mrs T. And that is why people suspect you of living in cliud cuckoo land.

Right - so everyone in the north disagreed with her?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Well the fact that I disagree with you shows that it is debatable. That's what "debatable" means -- it's when people take different sides in an argument surely?

So the country was thriving and prosperous then? Presumably that is what you're saying......

 

[drew]

You clearly were not around in the late 70s, or clearly too young or hidden away.

I remember the rubbish piling up on the streets & our dead not being buried. It really was that bad.

Thank goodness Thatcher came along & pulled Britain up by its knees, with strong leadership.

Our best EVER leader & will be remembered for all the good reasons in the history books in decades to come.

Problem is that you make it sound like for the whole of the 70s the dead went unburied and the rubbish not collected. The gravediggers strike in 1979 only last two weeks.

 

[Socialist Sid]

Funny how the losses incurred on "Black Monday" are never mentioned when discussing the losses made by IrnBru Gordy when he sold part of the Gold Reserve off at too low a price.

And I bet you welcome every utility price rise with open arms. xx

If she hadn't sold our silver he wouldn't have had to flog the gold.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

We're you around in the 70s? Do you remember 3 day weeks? Power cuts? Winter of discontent? Healey going cap in hand to the IMF? Unions holding the country to ransom? Joe Gormley? Hugh Scanlon? Red Robbo stopping Leyland production over tea breaks?

Jeez - even if you didn't like her, making out out the 70s was some kind of socialist nirvana really takes the biscuit.

Just to point out that three day weeks came about under the conservative Heath Government..... just saying.