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El Presidente

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An uplifting victory for Albion in the face of adversity should not be allowed to paper over some significant cracks.

Dick Knight must act now in two key areas to give Dean Wilkins the support he deserves.

The chairman needs to fund an addition to the management staff.

Wilkins and his assistant Dean White have been doing the job of four men since the departures of Mark McGhee and Bob Booker.

Knight has insisted all along money is available. The real issue is whether it is enough to make a difference to a depleted and inexperienced squad.

The evidence, both past and present, indicates otherwise. McGhee, in an interview with the magazine Insight City News, said: "It's a myth that there are a lot of players out there that we could have attracted on loan.

"I repeatedly spoke to Dick Knight about players but we never had the money. I wanted to sign Stephen McPhail, Michael Chopra and Roger Myarse.

"We had nothing to make them come, apart from Bob Booker's warm and inviting mouth. All three are now playing for top of the Championship Cardiff."

Wilkins and White have so far brought in a teenage target man from Aston Villa's reserves (Sam Williams) and rightback Andrew Whing from Coventry.

It is a start. They each played leading roles in a surprising but richly deserved win, Williams inadvertently as the victim of the challenge which caused an early red card for Scunthorpe centre half Steve Foster and Whing as the supplier of both goals.

More new faces are still desperately needed, though, if Albion are to avoid a fight against relegation, preferably with proven track records rather than just promising kids from Premiership clubs.

Wilkins masterminded a notable triumph by making a couple of important changes.

All credit to him for, temporarily at least, abandoning his cultured principles for a back-to-basics policy which was the essence of the Seagulls' success.

He also made a clever substitution at half-time which re-established Albion's grip on the game after conceding an equaliser against the run of play.

Foster lasted only 17 minutes. Referee Darren Deadman reached straight for red for the fourth time in eight matches when he led with his arm in a challenge on Williams close to the touchline.

Albion took just five minutes to make their numerical supremacy tell, mighty midget Dean Cox stooping low to the ground to bounce in a header from Whing's inviting cross.

An interval lead looked assured until, three minutes from the break, a cross by the overlapping Lee Morris was headed against his own upright by Adam Hinshelwood.

Billy Sharp, by name and nature, was initially denied from the rebound by the smart reflexes of Wayne Henderson before slotting his tenth of the season.

Wilkins, worried Albion were not retaining possession well enough, introduced Jake Robinson on the left for the second half at the expense of Williams and moved Cox inside in a switch from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3.

Robinson could have scored almost immediately when Tommy Fraser put him through, keeper Joe Murphy blocking his shot with the incredibly handsome Alex Revell screaming in vain for a cross.

It was not costly. Seven minutes into the restart the attack-minded Whing beat his man with ease, cut inside and delivered a low cross towards the near post which Gary Hart helped on its way into the far corner.

It was a happy ending to quite a week for Hart, who had been dropped to the bench for the home debacle against Blackpool and then played for the reserves at Chichester.

"Football's funny," he said. "One minute you feel you are out of it, the next you are called upon and you just have to get your head around it and get on with the job.

"It always helps if the opposition have a player sent-off but we've had two of our best results after going down to ten men (Rotherham and Millwall), so it's not easy. Dean changed things at half-time and it worked. In training we went back to basics, just working as hard as we can. We were really worked up for the game, because we were on a losing streak and wanted to get out of it as quickly as possible. I thought we were absolutely tremendous."

None more so than Revell, Whing and Hinshelwood, making his first start of the season alongside the dependable Guy Butters.

Henderson was so well protected by a previously porous defence that he barely had a save to make.

Hearts were briefly in mouths when he dropped an overhead cross by ex-Seagull Andy Crosby into his own net during Scunthorpe's late onslaught but he was clearly barged by muscular substitute Steve Torpey and the unpopular Deadman rightly ruled it out.
 
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Mr Banana

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El Presidente said:
The evidence, both past and present, indicates otherwise. McGhee, in an interview with the magazine Insight City News, said: "It's a myth that there are a lot of players out there that we could have attracted on loan.

"I repeatedly spoke to Dick Knight about players but we never had the money. I wanted to sign Stephen McPhail, Michael Chopra and Roger Johnson.

Absolutely classic Naylor spinning there, I cannot believe he is still allowed to pass off this sort of shit as incisive journalism and get away with it.

"Evidence, both past and present..."? All I've seen is McGhee (presumably midway through the 12th hole with Naylor) spouting off in the press about how there is no money. Nothing to do with the fact that he repeatedly went after players way above what we could get/needed, and even when he did pick realistic targets they mysteriously didn't want to sign for him?
 




Deportivo Seagull

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Ernest said:
I wonder who is right, Dick Tight says the money is there whilst Magoo says the money wasn't.
Seeing as there have been no significant signings I'd say Magoo is right.

The reason the Blooms wanted mcghee out is that 'they, supplied the cash but he couldn't get anyone. I'll think you'll find they wanted himout last Christmas.
 


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football lesson number one.

football in this country is run under rules laid down by the F.A. and E.U.E.F.A.

E.U.F.A. has ruled that there will be an embargo on signing players except during specific periods of the year.

we are in one of the periods where we can only sign players on a temporary loan basis.

come back after the next transfer window(january)with your pointless ramblings
 




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northstandnorth said:
look ernest

come back after the next transfer window(january)with your pointless ramblings

Or better still, don't.
 


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Mr Banana said:
Absolutely classic Naylor spinning there, I cannot believe he is still allowed to pass off this sort of shit as incisive journalism and get away with it.

"Evidence, both past and present..."? All I've seen is McGhee (presumably midway through the 12th hole with Naylor) spouting off in the press about how there is no money. Nothing to do with the fact that he repeatedly went after players way above what we could get/needed, and even when he did pick realistic targets they mysteriously didn't want to sign for him?

Way above what we needed? We were relegated from the Championship because we had virtually no Championship-level players, you blamed him for the relegation and now you are blaming him for wanting the players that could have kept us in that league? You are the very definition of a jaundiced, scapegoating, unfair critic.

And there was no mystery why Kandol and Ibehre (who scored at the weekend) didn't sign, we didn't offer enough money!
 
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Deportivo Seagull said:
The reason the Blooms wanted mcghee out is that 'they, supplied the cash but he couldn't get anyone. I'll think you'll find they wanted himout last Christmas.

Nothing to do with the fact that he brought in an international keeper that put their best mate FDM's nose out of joint then? :rolleyes:
 




Ernest

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northstandnorth said:
look ernest
football lesson number one.

football in this country is run under rules laid down by the F.A. and E.U.E.F.A.

E.U.F.A. has ruled that there will be an embargo on signing players except during specific periods of the year.

we are in one of the periods where we can only sign players on a temporary loan basis.

come back after the next transfer window(january)with your pointless ramblings

Listen beanbrain, there is a transfer window in the close season and our manager was Magoo, so either he had the money to buy players then or he didn't.
DK says he did and Magoo says he didn't so who is right ?

Sorry if that is difficult for you to understand
 


Ernest

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London Irish said:
Way above what we needed? We were relegated from the Championship because we had virtually no Championship-level players, you blamed him for the relegation and now you are blaming him for wanting the players that could have kept us in that league? You are the very definition of a jaundiced, scapegoating, unfair critic.

And there was no mystery why Kandol and Ibehre (who scored at the weekend) didn't sign, we didn't offer enough money!

Probably wanted to get Chopra for £500 a week
 










Les Biehn

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London Irish said:
We were relegated from the Championship because we had virtually no Championship-level players,

Thats a bit harsh. I think we did have quite a few Championship level players, Kuipers, Hendo, Hinsh, McShane, Frutos, Carole, CKR. Also players such as Hammond, Carpenter, Mayo and El-Bad have all shown before they can do it at that level even if they weren't at their best.

Also can you supply some evidence for this Bloom/Kuipers conspiracy.
 
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Les Biehn said:
Thats a bit harsh. I think we did have quite a few Championship level players, Kuipers, Hendo, Hinsh, McShane, Frutos, Carole, CKR. Also players such as Hammond, Carpenter, Mayo and El-Bad have all shown before they can do it at that level even if they weren't at their best.

Also can you supply some evidence for this Bloom/Kuipers conspiracy.

Frutos and Kuipers, Championship level? Laughable.
Hinsh, unproven because of his injury problems, 10 games in 18 months
CKR talent yes, but unfit and unwilling to take coaching, so that's as good as no
McShane, Hendo, Carole yes but even they were very raw/inexperienced last season

Circumstantial evidence exists on Bloom-Kuipers:
Kuipers very close to Bloom brothers FACT
Kuipers falls out with McGhee late December/early January FACT
The Blooms make their first serious move against McGhee last January FACT.
 


Les Biehn

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London Irish said:
Frutos and Kuipers, Championship level? Laughable.
Hinsh, unproven because of his injury problems, 10 games in 18 months
CKR talent yes, but unfit and unwilling to take coaching, so that's as good as no
McShane, Hendo, Carole yes but even they were very raw/inexperienced last season

Circumstantial evidence exists on Bloom-Kuipers:
Kuipers very close to Bloom brothers FACT
Kuipers falls out with McGhee late December/early January FACT
The Blooms make their first serious move against McGhee last January FACT.

But how do you know it was because of some sort of love of Kuipers. It could just be they didn't think he was the man for the job. I'm not saying you are wrong just that the evidence is very circumstancial.

Frutos and Kuipers being Championship level is laughable. Please explain. I can see a slight case for Kuipers but Frutos? He was one of our better players last year.
 
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Mr Banana

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London Irish said:
Way above what we needed? We were relegated from the Championship because we had virtually no Championship-level players, you blamed him for the relegation and now you are blaming him for wanting the players that could have kept us in that league? You are the very definition of a jaundiced, scapegoating, unfair critic.

And there was no mystery why Kandol and Ibehre (who scored at the weekend) didn't sign, we didn't offer enough money!

I always feel loathed to waste seconds of my life responding to these sort of melodramatic posts but, just for the record, I forgive you for being halfway down Lollipop Lane when it comes to McGhee. Stick at it. Actually I'd rather you didn't, because it's intensely boring and I'm well on the way to exorcising the ghosts of last season. My point was about Naylor's piss-poor writing, but I've typed out the stuff which follows so I might as well post it.

To answer your points - we were relegated last season because of McGhee's constant tinkering, non-existant man-management skills and failure to attract realistic players (which none of the above was.)

I will give you 100/1 that we did not come up with financial packages good enough for Kandol and Ibehre, but I feel sure you will twist whatever I say into some sort of sloppy defence of McGhee. Well done.
 
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Les Biehn said:
I can see a slight case for Kuipers but Frutos? He was one of our better players last year.

Rubbish, he was a defensive liability 80 per cent of the time, he only got games at the end because Carole had decided to leave for Leeds or some similar club by about February-March time and was consequently off the boil.
 
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Les Biehn

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London Irish said:
Rubbish, he was a defensive liability 80 per cent of the time, he only got games at the end because Carole had decided to leave for Leeds or some similar club by about February-March time.

How do you know that? I seem to remember him playing quite a few games while Carole was here, sometimes Carole even being left out if we went with one winger. He did make a few defensive errors but at least he did try to defend unlike Carole.

The point is though he looked Championship quality, I would even say he was potentially up there with CKR and Carole as having the best ability in our squad.
 


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Mr Banana said:
My point was about Naylor's piss-poor writing, but I've typed out the stuff which follows so I might as well post it.
The McGhee paranoia is common on hear so I guess you are swimming with the flow on that one, although less and less now that we are in the midst of relegation battle and everyone can see the problem wasn't the manager.

But what's the absurd level of paranoia regarding Andy Naylor about? He is a local journalist with an excellent reputation in the industry and has done some fine work for Albion fans going back to the days when he was exposing uncomfortable truths about Belotti-Archer. Even know he remains an indepedent voice, calling it as he sees it rather than just parrotting what the board would like him to say.

Your views on him are childish and bizarre.
 
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