Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It is similar to Notters opening post. He went to the booth to pay (as did we) but they handed him over to the revenue penalty taker.
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[Travel] Appealing a rail penalty fare
- Thread starter Notters
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It is similar to Notters opening post. He went to the booth to pay (as did we) but they handed him over to the revenue penalty taker.
Which is totally within their jurisdiction. The OP admits to being ‘all over the place’ for a few weeks and buying tickets on an ad hoc basis. At the booth/machine, on the train (could get a penalty there) or at the destination (again at risk of a penalty). So your one off is nothing like his ongoing reluctance to purchase a valid ticket for his journey now is it?
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
I activate it at the barrier, tap it on and go. That may be why it doesnt always work but that's thier problem.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,328
so it would be better to have less capacity? im not sure how much less seated capacity they have, no fan of the seats seem to be as many rows as before, dropping the horrid 3/2 of the old Thameslink cattle class, so expect they have lost some numbers. maybe we'd rather have lower capacity, higher fares (to keep people off the rail). or is it just the owner/operator status that is objectionable?
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
You actually gave them your real name and address
About 7 or 8 years ago I got a London Midland train from Bletchley in the morning going into Euston, but needed to go one stop further on my way back, to Milton Keynes. The conductor came round, I showed him my ticket back to Bletchley and asked if I needed to buy another ticket to get off at MK, he said it'd be fine as it was only one stop and the guys on the barriers would let me through.
Of course, I got to the barrier at Milton Keynes and showed my ticket to the guy, who starts getting properly aggressive, accusing me of being a liar and all of this before writing up a penalty fare (not sure on the exact amount but it was a pretty big fine, £50 or thereabouts). He took my details, went on the phone and said he was 'checking them with the police' before writing them down- I was pretty sure this was bullshit but I was a naive 19-year-old, so didn't want to chance it.
Argument ensues after I lob the fine in the bin and he follows me out the station shouting abuse. It was all a bit ridiculous.
Got a letter with the fine through in the post, he only went and misspelled my name... I wrote to them saying nobody with that name lived at the address, they apologised and I never heard from them again
Not really helpful I know, but there you go.
Of course, I got to the barrier at Milton Keynes and showed my ticket to the guy, who starts getting properly aggressive, accusing me of being a liar and all of this before writing up a penalty fare (not sure on the exact amount but it was a pretty big fine, £50 or thereabouts). He took my details, went on the phone and said he was 'checking them with the police' before writing them down- I was pretty sure this was bullshit but I was a naive 19-year-old, so didn't want to chance it.
Argument ensues after I lob the fine in the bin and he follows me out the station shouting abuse. It was all a bit ridiculous.
Got a letter with the fine through in the post, he only went and misspelled my name... I wrote to them saying nobody with that name lived at the address, they apologised and I never heard from them again
Not really helpful I know, but there you go.
drew
Drew
You're a card aren't you. First moaning that they don't invest in infrastructure and now moaning that they haven't for 50 years when in fact they have been for a number of years. Think they re-evaluated the network following the crash at, I think, Hatfield.
What is your solution then. Don't tell me, you think they should hike the prices so oiks can't afford train travel. Bring back the old buffet cars with freshly made cheese on toast.
Barham's tash
Well-known member
Ha ha. Brilliant.
No I’m an advocate of re-nationalisation actually. Plenty of other nations around the world seem to manage balancing infrastructure expenditure, modernisation, capacity, timekeeping capabilities and technological solutions at reasonable cost to the end user.
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Horses Arse
Well-known member
TWOCHOICEStom
Well-known member
Wouldn't happen in Sweden.
This is all done.... would you believe it... using.. *gasps* an APP.
This is all done.... would you believe it... using.. *gasps* an APP.
Wouldn't happen in Germany
This is all done.... would you believe it... using.. *gasps* an APP
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
If there are facilities to buy a ticket before you board , you said there was a machine then you don't have a leg to stand on. Pay the penalty fare before it escalates into a summons and it will do and make sure you buy a ticket before you board in future
maltaseagull
Well-known member
Bearing in mind the railway closed here in 1931 I am not up to speed on this (get it?)
Don't modern trains have Wi Fi? Surely you can buy your ticket online and show an app in this century?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Funnily enough, this situation has just been on tv, in Dom on the spot.
This is right. A ticket must be bought before you get on the train.
How do you go on when the ticket machine isn't working?
TWOCHOICEStom
Well-known member
It is pretty mad that you have to choose between missing your train and paying a fine because there were too many human beings in front of you in a queue for a computer which prints out paper tickets. It's 2019....
I’m not averse to rail renationalisation, so this is hopefully an apolitical post. Excluding HS2, the government are investing records sums in the railways per annum of a net £4.2B in grants and £5.9B in loans.
Rail users used to hate British Rail and industrial disputes. I worked with people who commuted in the 70’s and 80’s, who really despised the striking staff.
It’s the age old problem of a complicated, illogical network, created almost 200 years ago and boxed in by millions of dwellings. Other countries had a blank sheet after being bombed to bits, with Marshall Plan money, and/or they industrialised decades later. I saw a documentary about French TGV lines, where they’ll think nothing of buying up stunning untouched countryside cheaply and bulldozing through forests etc in quick time. Everything in the UK is done far more slowly, with public enquiries, high land values = costly compensation, with an army of expensive experts making a killing on new infrastructure.
British Rail in its second life will face all those same costs, barriers, nimbies, delays, enquiries, and the same chaotic network boxed in by homes.
Shropshire Seagull
Well-known member
Inland Revenue have a football team ?
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
All machines out of order are notified so it would be known and then you’d be allowed to buy a ticket
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
That's probably why we were able to pay at Brighton albeit with a lecture!
