[Albion] Apparently 8th place "still gets Europe", if...

[Deadly Danson]

I don’t think that’s the case. We usually have two places. If Chelsea win it then two places decrease by one to one place. (I’m good at maths).

So who gets the other one?

 

[tstanbur]

So who gets the other one?

I’ve no idea

 

[TottonSeagull]

I may be one of the few NSC posters that really doesn't mind no European Football next season?

Given the current side we have I think we would get pasted almost every game.

Keep on improving the squad and also think hard about how we can go further than 9th or 10th in the Premier League in 2025/26.

You will do when our players are enticed away by clubs in Europe!!

 

[Deadly Danson]

I’ve no idea

 

[West Upper Seagull]

No. The number of Europe places have now been decided. Seventh place is now conference league, unless it’s Chelsea and they win the conference league final. Then Chelsea qualify for the Europa league and England has no team in the conference league.

Why would England not have a team enter the conference league if Chelsea finish 6th or 7th ?

 

[peterward]

Ok, I found the relevant UEFA regulation. BBC is definitely incorrect. If Chelsea win the Conference League, there’ll be no English club playing in it next season.

So yeah, our season is done.

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Nope thats as clear as mud.

Would Newcastle winning Carabao and qualifying in a higher competition not cause their UECL place to go to next in league?

 

[JonnyComeEarly]

Still clear as mud

 

[oldboyroy]

Forgetting the 7 that were possible for champions league now, its 6 with spurs or united. This on premier league site?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

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Forgetting the 7 that were possible for champions league now, its 6 with spurs or united. This on premier league site?

That only applied if Villa won the Champions League, things have changed massively since that was written.

 

[Scooby]

This is now on the Premier League web-site, updated since Palace won this afternoon:

Depending on where Chelsea finish, their performance in the final could directly influence eighth place.

By rights, the winners of the Conference League get a place in the Europa League. If Chelsea beat Betis and finish inside the top five, there will be no change to the allocation. Chelsea will qualify for the Champions League and no other Premier League team will get their Europa League place for winning the Conference League.

UCL - PL top five, UEL winner
UEL - PL sixth, Crystal Palace (FAC)
UCoL - N/A

But if Chelsea win the Conference League and finish sixth, the Premier League gets an extra team in the Europa League, and nine in Europe. Once the EPS is applied, the Europa League place originally for fifth goes to the team in seventh and the team finishing eighth earn a place in the UEFA Conference League. This would also mean that 10 teams - HALF the Premier League - would be playing in Europe next season.

UCL - PL top five, UEL winner
UEL - PL seventh, Crystal Palace (FAC), Chelsea (UCoL)
UCoL - PL eighth

For the clubs looking to finish eighth - Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton & Hove Albion and Fulham - the performance of Chelsea is now their only chance of playing in Europe next season. They are the only team who could win a European title and finish in a position to cause this drop down.

In this scenario, we also need to assume Newcastle have finished inside the top six to allow their UCoL place from winning the EFL Cup to drop down to the eighth-placed team.

So the teams vying for eighth still have some work to do as they head into their remaining Premier League matches. The only head-to-head match within the quartet is on 18 May, when Fulham visit Brentford in a west London derby.

 

[oldboyroy]

This is now on the Premier League web-site, updated since Palace won this afternoon:

Depending on where Chelsea finish, their performance in the final could directly influence eighth place.

By rights, the winners of the Conference League get a place in the Europa League. If Chelsea beat Betis and finish inside the top five, there will be no change to the allocation. Chelsea will qualify for the Champions League and no other Premier League team will get their Europa League place for winning the Conference League.

UCL - PL top five, UEL winner
UEL - PL sixth, Crystal Palace (FAC)
UCoL - N/A

But if Chelsea win the Conference League and finish sixth, the Premier League gets an extra team in the Europa League, and nine in Europe. Once the EPS is applied, the Europa League place originally for fifth goes to the team in seventh and the team finishing eighth earn a place in the UEFA Conference League. This would also mean that 10 teams - HALF the Premier League - would be playing in Europe next season.

UCL - PL top five, UEL winner
UEL - PL seventh, Crystal Palace (FAC), Chelsea (UCoL)
UCoL - PL eighth

For the clubs looking to finish eighth - Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton & Hove Albion and Fulham - the performance of Chelsea is now their only chance of playing in Europe next season. They are the only team who could win a European title and finish in a position to cause this drop down.

In this scenario, we also need to assume Newcastle have finished inside the top six to allow their UCoL place from winning the EFL Cup to drop down to the eighth-placed team.

So the teams vying for eighth still have some work to do as they head into their remaining Premier League matches. The only head-to-head match within the quartet is on 18 May, when Fulham visit Brentford in a west London derby.

Also just confirmed on another website. In other words, still possible but highly unlikely. Clinging to hope here that Chelsea lose at Forest last game and City win their last 2 and Forest win their last 2

 

[Eeyore]

So I think I have worked it out:

To qualify we need:

Chelsea to win the Conference League and to lose to Nottingham Forest
Aston Villa to gain a point/win at Old Trafford
City to win one of their two remaining matches or at least gain a point without shipping -4 goals + whatever Chelsea lose at Forest by
Forest to win at West Ham and beat Chelsea at home.
Albion to gain more points than Brentford or Fulham.

There's an Acca there....

 

[Zeberdi]

This is now on the Premier League web-site, updated since Palace won this afternoon:

Depending on where Chelsea finish, their performance in the final could directly influence eighth place.

By rights, the winners of the Conference League get a place in the Europa League. If Chelsea beat Betis and finish inside the top five, there will be no change to the allocation. Chelsea will qualify for the Champions League and no other Premier League team will get their Europa League place for winning the Conference League.

UCL - PL top five, UEL winner
UEL - PL sixth, Crystal Palace (FAC)
UCoL - N/A

But if Chelsea win the Conference League and finish sixth, the Premier League gets an extra team in the Europa League, and nine in Europe. Once the EPS is applied, the Europa League place originally for fifth goes to the team in seventh and the team finishing eighth earn a place in the UEFA Conference League. This would also mean that 10 teams - HALF the Premier League - would be playing in Europe next season.

UCL - PL top five, UEL winner
UEL - PL seventh, Crystal Palace (FAC), Chelsea (UCoL)
UCoL - PL eighth

For the clubs looking to finish eighth - Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton & Hove Albion and Fulham - the performance of Chelsea is now their only chance of playing in Europe next season. They are the only team who could win a European title and finish in a position to cause this drop down.

In this scenario, we also need to assume Newcastle have finished inside the top six to allow their UCoL place from winning the EFL Cup to drop down to the eighth-placed team.

So the teams vying for eighth still have some work to do as they head into their remaining Premier League matches. The only head-to-head match within the quartet is on 18 May, when Fulham visit Brentford in a west London derby.

Which was all explained several days ago until several people started saying that in the scenario Newcastle finish inside top 6 (which has always been necessary) and Chelsea win Con for Europa, the premier League Europa place drops from 6th to 7th, with CP now qualifying with the FAC, it ends there in 7th place and we don’t have any teams in the conference next season but 3 in the Europas.

Maybe @Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo can confirm that is still his interpretation.

 

[Deadly Danson]

So I think I have worked it out:

To qualify we need:

Chelsea to win the Conference League and to lose to Nottingham Forest
Aston Villa to gain a point/win at Old Trafford
City to win one of their two remaining matches or at least gain a point without shipping -4 goals + whatever Chelsea lose a Forest by
Forest to win at West Ham and beat Chelsea at home.
Albion to gain more points than Brentford or Fulham.

There's an Acca there....

None of that is inconceivable but it's well designed to keep dangling a bit of hope in front of us.

 

[GT49er]

I think we're now in a situation where you can find a website giving you either answer! In other words, nobody knows. Now I'm just going to sit back, not even try to work it out, and and just wait for the official announcement that we're not in Europe next season.

Damn those crappy draws!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Not happening



And also *definitely* not happening, this season anyway.

We had an incredible chance of achieving European football, in a season where two of the ‘Big Six’ were unbelievably bad, something very unlikely to happen again, and we completely and utterly blew it.

That’s where drawing 1-1 at home to the second worst team in Premier League history, and blowing TWO two goal leads after the 85th minute, gets you.

And losing an experimental away game 7-0 and getting done by your rivals twice.

 

[Eeyore]

Which was all explained several days ago until several people started saying that in the scenario Newcastle finish inside top 6 (which has always been necessary) and Chelsea win Con for Europa, the premier League Europa place drops from 6th to 7th, with CP now qualifying with the FAC, it ends there in 7th place and we don’t have any teams in the conference next season but 3 in the Europas.

Maybe @Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo can confirm that is still his interpretation.

That's what I thought, but bizarrely the Premier League pages say no.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

And not winning at home to 3 sides relegated before Easter

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I've given up.

As someone going to Spurs, I'm hoping Man U win on Thursday so I haven't got to watch those ****s parade the trophy about That's literally all that's left

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Which was all explained several days ago until several people started saying that in the scenario Newcastle finish inside top 6 (which has always been necessary) and Chelsea win Con for Europa, the premier League Europa place drops from 6th to 7th, with CP now qualifying with the FAC, it ends there in 7th place and we don’t have any teams in the conference next season but 3 in the Europas.

Maybe @Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo can confirm that is still his interpretation.

My head is ready to explode with all the different scenarios various sites are putting forward.

However I believe that should Chelsea win the Conference League and finish outside of the Champions League places we’d have three teams in the Europa League (6th, 7th and FA Cup winners) and none in the conference.

If Chelsea finish in the Champions League spots (or don’t win the conference) then 6th and FA Cup winners get Europa League and 7th gets Conference.

This post earlier in the thread shows the specific UEFA rule that says we’d lost our Conference League spot.

[Albion] - Apparently 8th place "still gets Europe", if...

If @Seagull Stew is right then Lineker and BBC are wrong, as they just said that is definitely the case on TV. If Chelsea win conference and finish 6th or 7th, UECL will go down to 8th. The FA cup winners plus the side placed one position below the last team to qualify for the champions...

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I cannot see a scenario where 8th would get Conference League, despite what other sites have claimed, unless City get a points deduction and I’m not holding my breath for that one.