ANTI-WAR PROTESTORS - get a job

[Uncle Spielberg]

This subject bores me , bores me. You will never get the anti to change their minds as its all anti USA. The MacDonalds cheeseburger is an evil thing.

 

[Albion Dan]

lol @ GG, blatant facts back up our argument leaving you with no decent retort so you label the whole subject boring.

 

[triptolemus]

iginally posted by Easy 10 [/i]
Why don't these anti-war protestors just go and get a bloody life. Have you seen the state of half of them ? The most motley bunch of freaks this side of Mad Max. Mohicans with bits of metal hanging off just about anything they can pierce, grubby Student Grant-types skipping lectures for a day of "right-on" protesting, excercising their "civil rights" blah blah blah. They're just a bunch of half-arsed publicity-seeking morons with nothing better to do, just desperately hoping to catch a glimpse of themselves on the 10 O' Clock News, the saddo's.

They're an embarrassment. [/QUOTE]

I am an anti-war protester. I have been for more than thirty years, and marched against the Vietnam War in 1968. I have disagreed with every war conducted by the US and British governments since then, even though I have always held down a job and paid my taxes (many of which have been squandered on military hardware and unnecessary policing). The hectoring tone of your posts betrays an extremely under-informed view of politics and of your fellow human beings. Civil rights, blah, blah, in the nineteenth century would have meant the continuance of slavery, and in the early twentieth the disenfranchisement of women. It is sensibilities such as your own that allowed fascism to reappear in the Thirties. What about the Cable Street marchers, were they a bunch of half-arsed publicity seeking morons, or did they allow the British to reject fascism and to allow you the freedom to post such reactionary garbage on NSC ?

 

[Lammy]

No one else saw the copper at Lewes then?

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

I bet most of them don't even know where Iraq is

 

[zefarelly]

If you dont get a grant and dont want the debt, you can always get a job . . . .millions do you know, and no ones forcing you to drink cheap beer and study part time

I'd agree with protesting against Bush, hes a f***ing idiot and a major liability to world safety !

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I could write a 3 page report on why I think the war was correct but I would not waste my effort on you Albion Dan as you have made your mind up and will not open your mind to alternative points of view. I certainly can't be arsd to argue the toss with you.

 

[Dandyman]

Why don't these anti-war protestors just go and get a bloody life. Have you seen the state of half of them ? The most motley bunch of freaks this side of Mad Max. Mohicans with bits of metal hanging off just about anything they can pierce, grubby Student Grant-types skipping lectures for a day of "right-on" protesting, excercising their "civil rights" blah blah blah. They're just a bunch of half-arsed publicity-seeking morons with nothing better to do, just desperately hoping to catch a glimpse of themselves on the 10 O' Clock News, the saddo's.

They're an embarrassment.

Ahh, the joys of mindless stereotypes...

I'm white, male, 40, and a higher rate tax payer - is that suitably conformist for you ?

I was in two minds about whether to join the protest after work or not, thanks for for helping me make up my mind.

 

[Soton Seagull]

It is remarkably hard to fight a war against an undefined enemey, who are not conviniently in 1 place, and who use Guerilla tactics. You simply cannot rationalise with someone who beleives in a cause so much that they are willing to commit suicide for it.

I don't pretend to know the answers, but I feel that more needs to be done in prevention, rather than cure. As a civilised society, we have to somehow slowly convince the radical fringe that we are not as evil as they think. The unfaltering support for Israel's state sponsored terrorism does not help, and clearly isolates us from the Islamic viewpoint. We need to acept that Israel and Palestine are as bad as each other, and form policy on this basis. Showing favour to one side is alienating us from the other, with potentially dangerous side effects, which are already rearing their ugly heads.

Iraq need infrastructyre rebuild ASAP, and then the UN need to take over fro the coalition in the medium term. The longer we stay, the more we isolate ourselves. Conventional war fare is slowly becoming irrelevant. There is a new world order developing and we need to wake up to this before it is too late.

 

[Meade's Ball]

I've got a job. I am taking a half-day's holiday to go and march. Things matter, you see. I have a lot more respect for the stinky, freak-haired people i'll be with today than for some ranting twat on a message board. They get out of their houses and fight, sometimes literally, for what they believe in.

GG, its difficult to persuade people either way once they have their opinions. The facts, as i see them, show a disgustingly corrupt act completely lacking in empathy or human understanding. Its about money. The side-effects of this act may be that some people are better off. I doubt many people want Saddam back in power. But this is a precedent. Anyone can be attacked at any time for reasons deemed important enough by one group of men in America. And those reasons are not humanitarian. Otherwise we'd have toppled any other number of despots. If one country's increased wealth and financial stability is a valid enough reason, for you, to go to war, then i cannot argue with you.

 

[CHAPPERS]

It is remarkably hard to fight a war against an undefined enemey, who are not conviniently in 1 place, and who use Guerilla tactics. You simply cannot rationalise with someone who beleives in a cause so much that they are willing to commit suicide for it.

I don't pretend to know the answers, but I feel that more needs to be done in prevention, rather than cure. As a civilised society, we have to somehow slowly convince the radical fringe that we are not as evil as they think. The unfaltering support for Israel's state sponsored terrorism does not help, and clearly isolates us from the Islamic viewpoint. We need to acept that Israel and Palestine are as bad as each other, and form policy on this basis. Showing favour to one side is alienating us from the other, with potentially dangerous side effects, which are already rearing their ugly heads.

Iraq need infrastructyre rebuild ASAP, and then the UN need to take over fro the coalition in the medium term. The longer we stay, the more we isolate ourselves. Conventional war fare is slowly becoming irrelevant. There is a new world order developing and we need to wake up to this before it is too late.

Great post.

 

[Exiled in Exeter]

I am not a fan of the anti war protesters either. There certainly seems to be an element who are going to protest just because they hate America or capitalism and are using the Bush visit as a vehicle to demonstrate.

 

[n1 gull]

I will be protesting this afternoon, I have a good job and I'm no looney leftie.
Gareth, so its not ok to talk for the Iraqi people, but its ok to invade their country and kill 10,000 innocent people?
Sadam was a twat and I'm delighted that he's gone, but we don't have the mandate to remove leaders we don't like. Who's next?
Why not Mugabe, he's starving a whole nation to death - oh yeh I forgot, he doesn't have any oil

 

[Meade's Ball]

They are using the Bush visit as a vehicle to demonstrate against America and capitalism?
Um, yes. When should they demonstrate?

I hate America. Thats part of my protest. but only an America of centralised thinking and sickening homogeneity. I don't hate Americans. In general.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Meade a reasoned argument as yours I do not afree with but respect in that you have clearly thought about it. Some anti ranting at me and posting Dunce's hats I can't be arsed to argus the toss with. I have enough stress in my life without being wound up by some of the twats on this board.

 

[bhaexpress]

AS has been said many times before, this whole Iraqi fiasco is to do with oil and nothing else. If Bush and Blair are so keen on getting rid of despots why don't they invade Zimbawe for a start ?

 

[Lammy]

I can't believe no one else saw that Copper!

 

[Easy 10]

Thought this would open up a can of worms.

* sits back to observe the righteous debate *

 

[bhaexpress]

It is remarkably hard to fight a war against an undefined enemey, who are not conviniently in 1 place, and who use Guerilla tactics. You simply cannot rationalise with someone who beleives in a cause so much that they are willing to commit suicide for it.

I don't pretend to know the answers, but I feel that more needs to be done in prevention, rather than cure. As a civilised society, we have to somehow slowly convince the radical fringe that we are not as evil as they think. The unfaltering support for Israel's state sponsored terrorism does not help, and clearly isolates us from the Islamic viewpoint. We need to acept that Israel and Palestine are as bad as each other, and form policy on this basis. Showing favour to one side is alienating us from the other, with potentially dangerous side effects, which are already rearing their ugly heads.

Iraq need infrastructyre rebuild ASAP, and then the UN need to take over fro the coalition in the medium term. The longer we stay, the more we isolate ourselves. Conventional war fare is slowly becoming irrelevant. There is a new world order developing and we need to wake up to this before it is too late.

Rather hard to convince a bunch of people that we're not so bad when they feel (with some justification) that they have been exploited for centuries .......

 

[Meade's Ball]

Thought this would open up a can of worms.

* sits back to observe the righteous debate *

Here, take them back. And stop slouching. Slack-ass.