ANTI-WAR PROTESTORS - get a job

[chemical brother]

There are 2 things that annoy me about this:

1) People (usually students) who just turn up because they want something, anything to be angry at. It doesn't help our cause when people who haven't actually got a clue what they're protesting about and will probably be living the capitalist dream with 2 kids, a BMW and a cushty 9-5 40k a year office job in 5 years time turn up, and fuels the stereotypes.

2) The assumption that the only thing these protests are about is the war. That's bollocks. Bush IS destroying the planet that we ALL live in, that is the wider issue, and if I could be there today that is the real reason I would make my voice heard, as is the case for many others there.

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[Easy 10]

Here, take them back. And stop slouching. Slack-ass.

Too late, I fear. The worms are well and truley out and wriggling.

 

[Brovion]

There are 2 things that annoy me about this:

1) People (usually students) who just turn up because they want something, anything to be angry at. It doesn't help our cause when people who haven't actually got a clue what they're protesting about and will probably be living the capitalist dream with 2 kids, a BMW and a cushty 9-5 40k a year office job in 5 years time turn up, and fuels the stereotypes.

2) The assumption that the only thing these protests are about is the war. That's bollocks. Bush IS destroying the planet that we ALL live in, that is the wider issue, and if I could be there today that is the real reason I would make my voice heard, as is the case for many others there.

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Well said Ben.

 

[alan partridge]

why do we always see these types of preotesters on our tellys and in our newspapers

same reason we only see the few hundred skinhead thugs who turn up at major footie tournaments rather than the 10's of thousands of typical england fans

the wider picture makes shite telly

 

[Zeitgeist]

Why don't these anti-war protestors just go and get a bloody life. Have you seen the state of half of them ? The most motley bunch of freaks this side of Mad Max. Mohicans with bits of metal hanging off just about anything they can pierce, grubby Student Grant-types skipping lectures for a day of "right-on" protesting, excercising their "civil rights" blah blah blah. They're just a bunch of half-arsed publicity-seeking morons with nothing better to do, just desperately hoping to catch a glimpse of themselves on the 10 O' Clock News, the saddo's.

They're an embarrassment.

I joined the anti-war protest today. I have a job, and to the best of my knowledge, don't resemble anyone from the cast of Mad Max. Estimates put the crowd at around 100,000. This comprised many races and ages from all walks off life. We all had one concern in common....The World is a far more dangerous place, due to the actions of George Bush and his puppet, Tony B liar. Your image of the marchers seems to be a stereotype straight out of the Daily Mail or the Sun. I guess it must be true? Everyone who posts on this board, is a football fan. So all the posters on this board are hooligans who smash up pubs and towns they visit, also attacking anyone who happens to be wearing an opponents colours.......... Yep, stereotyping lol. Do you live in Falmer by any chance??

 

[Beach Hut]

People have a right to protest for any cause:

Be it against President Bush

Be it against Archer

IMHO Bush is a complete prat and a danger to world stability. Why, for instance, does anyone feel the necessity to visit this country with a limosine built like a tank ? If they are that scared then stay at home - nuff said ?

 

[Yorkie]

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....The World is a far more dangerous place, due to the actions of George Bush and his puppet, Tony B liar.

More dangerous than when, Zeitgeist?

I have lived through the Cuba crisis, the Cold War and other various dangerous times including the IRA bombing of our cities.

 

[Beach Hut]

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More dangerous than when, Zeitgeist?

I have lived through the Cuba crisis, the Cold War and other various dangerous times including the IRA bombing of our cities.

The world is severely more dangerous than before - technology has moved on and without wishing to be alarmist, if anyone considered we should die they can launch a weapon from quite some way away from us and ensure we will.

 

[Yorkie]

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The world is severely more dangerous than before - technology has moved on and without wishing to be alarmist, if anyone considered we should die they can launch a weapon from quite some way away from us and ensure we will.

That was precisely the case when Kennedy stood up to the Russians during the Cuba crisis.

There were enough nuclear weapons then to destroy the whole world.

 

[Beach Hut]

I don't think anyone would start a nuclear war now - what I'm trying to say is that most countries now have weapons that are so frighteningly accurate it get's very personal.

Basically you can now aim a missile on an individual, take them out but leave those in the surrounding area OK - unless you screw up on friendly fire.

 

[marvin]

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That was precisely the case when Kennedy stood up to the Russians during the Cuba crisis.

There were enough nuclear weapons then to destroy the whole world.

Not quite yorkie what you were dealing with in those cases were megalomaniac despots wanting to look big with their own people who had a vested interest in never actually doing anything. The hype was helped by people on fat wages needing to make it look as if what they did was important enough to justify the large wages.

What we have now are madmen not concerned about themselves as they believe that god will raise them up to a higher place for destroying the unbeliever.

Put a Nuke in their hands all you can do is bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. They will not stop to think of the consequences or the fact that they are going to destroy themselves too.

Bush and Blair are playing high stakes poker with our lives as the growth potential by selling over priced services and goods to newly liberated countries.

You might call me a cynic.

I don't support the war on the grounds for which we were told they were waging it.

I was lied to and they continue to lie to me. All I ask for is truth, but I bet they would say the truth, the truth, you can't handle the truth.

 

[Yorkie]

Basically you can now aim a missile on an individual, take them out but leave those in the surrounding area OK - unless you screw up on friendly fire.

Which the Americans frequently do

Sorry.

Long distance weapons have been in existence for a long time. They have been extremely accurate for a long time as well.

 

[Yorkie]

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What we have now are madmen not concerned about themselves as they believe that god will raise them up to a higher place for destroying the unbeliever.

I do agree with that. That is what makes these terrorists so dangerous. They are willing to commit suicide for it.

So how do you stop them?

 

[Bwian]

Why, for instance, does anyone feel the necessity to visit this country with a limosine built like a tank ? If they are that scared then stay at home - nuff said ?

Doesn't the queen and the pope get driven around in armoured vehicles? (Question-not a cue for an argument within an argument) World leaders are targets for fanatical groups around the world and I know that were I a leader of a country, any country, I'd want armour plating on my vehicles so thick it'd need 2 engines to move the damn thing 'cos of the weight.

As for Bush's armour plated limo, why not? He's president of one of the world's superpowers in very difficult times where every muslim hardline fuckwit wants to kill him and his countrymen and women. His assasination/murder would probably be the catalyst for a truly World conflict so George, best to keep the limo!

 

[marvin]

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I do agree with that. That is what makes these terrorists so dangerous. They are willing to commit suicide for it.

So how do you stop them?

1. You stop US and British banks handling their money for them.
2. You stop US and British armament firms selling them weapons
3. You talk to countries that may harbour them (Reason afghan was dif was there was no real state to talk to)
4. You get the international community to put extreme pressure on them.
5. You use intelligence to find out what they are up to and you go against them and take them down quietly.

They cannot tell me that they do not know, or cannot find out using satellites where there is an increase in radio activity to detect weapons. the spent 3 decades trying to detect the things. They must have managed something in that time, even people of limited intelligence like the Americans.

What you don't do is attack a country because the leader of that country gave your dad the finger 12 years ago. Telling the world that this man has weapons of mass destruction that weapons inspectors could not find.

You want to liberate a country from a despot then you follow other examples. Yes you use force but that force is only to back-up the people of that country to free themselves. Give them the belief in themselves they will do it. The Marsh Arabs did it the last time. The Americans stood by as Sadam flew his helicopters in a no fly zone to gun them down.

The Americans have created a whole new generation of Muslims willing to put their lives on the line for Allah. These attacks will get more frequent they will get more violent, they will come here.

IMHO

 

[Yorkie]

I agree that you use force as a backup for the people of that country to free themselves but didn't that go wrong last time round and Saddam Hussain then exacted revenge on those who did try to free themselves.

It isn't just British and US banks handling their money though is it?

Saudi Arabia have just discovered now that Arabs will fight Arabs because they are 'friendly' with the west.

 

[marvin]

I agree that you use force as a backup for the people of that country to free themselves but didn't that go wrong last time round and Saddam Hussain then exacted revenge on those who did try to free themselves.

No that';s what i tried to say. The Marsh arabs stood up and the Americans stood by and watch Sadam put them down with helicopters in a no fly zone.

This is why they are back as GBS is embarressed by that.

It isn't just British and US banks handling their money though is it?

No but if you stopped American and British banks from having anything to do wtih the money or any firm who does have anything to do with it then they would soon run out of places for it.

One country should not enforce on another the way their companies does business. It can fore its own firms.

For those who would "choose" to opt out of a country due to restrictions then you choose to not do business with that country. How many firms are going to choose not to do business with the US and the UK?

personally I boycot a lot of things, in fact its becoming easier to remember what I don't boycot.

Esso for Prince William sound, they made a mistake then walked away from it rather than spend or do what was needed to put it as right as they could.

Timex, Dyson, Dr martens (all products I have or still do use) for moving production of a product they want to sell to the UK out of the UK cos they can make it cheaper in another country. I won't be buying any more of their products. Which is a shame as I like their products. But I have a loyalty to the taxpayers in this country who have kept me for the last 17 years.

Organise a boycott of banks that do business in the wrong way. A few nutty veggie types have managed to decimate the animal testing indiustry by high profile boycots. All they are left with now are the hard core. It can be donne, with the right will power.

 

[El Presidente]

A bunch of my students started kicking off about Bush in my lecture yesterday, but I chased them away with a bar of soap

 

[Yorkie]

Marvin. I am very interested in boycotting firms that are unethical but don't know a great deal about it.

I feel that is a better way of protesting than marching through the streets.

Can you tell me more about it please.

 

[Lush]

I boycott Esso, Focus DIY and Nestle (hard when you like chocolate!)

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The link that chemical brother posted takes you to a site that explains about the main multi-national culprits