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Andrew Mitchell and the police
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The Spanish
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senior elected politicians getting the boot because of lying dopey coppers. and loads on here thought it was brilliant! scary huh.
its incredible that a little inverted snobbery, when applied en masse in this country, can bring down senior government members on the words of some sap who is a jumped up security guard, stirred up by shit newspapers. the same mobs who fabricate evidence on dead football fans or hack murdered schoolgirls phones. but oh no its a posh MP who is apparently public enemy number 1 and should be got at.
this thread just goes to show that suggestibility to media led hysteria, and witch hunts, are not the exclusive territory of one side of the political spectrum.
Common as Mook
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Mutts Nuts
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Agree with this 100%
I am just amazed that this is considered major news and that there is now talk of enquiries. Why doesn't the government get on with fixing the major problems in this country instead of farting around with issues surrounding whether someone called someone else a pleb. So fricking what?
Common as Mook
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A man's reputation and livelihood? Yeah, so what.
Tooting Gull
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This. It's a sideshow, one man's problem, he can sort it out and seek redress for damage to his reputation/job if he has been shafted by this copper. But it should not occupy a second more of the government's time with more important issues at hand.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Police fabrication of evidence, leaking information to the press, conspiracy to take away a man's job. Not much to worry about there, especially if it doesn't happen to you.
You've rather missed the point haven't you!
Fabrication of evidence by the police,for starters!
I haven't missed the point at all. Sure it needs to be investigated, but government enquiries? There are a thousand major problems in this country demanding the government's immediate attention. Whether or not the word "pleb" was used during a minor confrontation is not one of them. Nor is whether a policeman did or did not make up a story. I'm sure they're doing it all the time. A government enquiry each time??
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I think fabricated evidence potentially ruining an elected politician's career is certainly worthy of news. More so than most Royal stories anyway.
Tooting Gull
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Well, I'd certainly agree about the Royal stories, and I think it's a good tale all right. But this isn't 'Fabrication of evidence' in some kind of uber-conspiracy, Hillsborough-stylee way. It's one dickhead copper, and people including his MP had no reason to think he was lying. So he gets dealt with, Mitchell does what he has to do, let's move on.
Papa Lazarou
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But surely, if the police have fabricated evidence to get a senior politician sacked, that's quite serious?
Brightonfan1983
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Hold on a minute. He admitted he swore at the police - that alone warrants a sacking. So he didn't call anyone a pleb (who really cares) and some idiot policeman is now letting the media muddy the waters - he SWORE at police. End of.
It wasn't the swearing that did for him,it was the alleged use of the word 'pleb' that caused the trouble for him.
As far as I am aware,he has always denied saying this.
Brightonfan1983
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I know, the 'pleb' thing caught people's imagination, what with class connotations etc. Which is what it all became about.
But he swore at a policeman which surely would warrant his dismissal anyway? I feel that's getting lost in the brouhaha...
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Its a bit strong getting fired for swearing at a policeman. An apology should be sufficient. The whole story was about the use of the word "pleb", which he denied using. We are not talking about 1 policeman lying and fabricating evidence here. We are talking about 1 policeman writing in his notebook that the word was used and a second policeman pretending to be a member of the public who overheard the incident and sent an email to that effect. That suggests a conspiracy to fabricate evidence. Not 1 dopy copper but two coppers, at least, working in concert.
The only thing that has come to light, as I understand it, is that an email seemingly from a member of the public corroborating the statements from the two officers involved in the incident appears to have come from a serving officer who was off duty at the time. Andrew Mitchell was the author of his own misfortune, firstly in his arrogant behaviour and language used and then by not making a full statement confirming exactly what he said. He merely kept saying that he didn't use the words attributed to him but would not state what he said. That in itself kept the issue in the headlines.
As far as I'm aware, the two officers have not changed their statements and the allegation that he used the words pleb. Heads will roll in the met for the apparently contrived corrobative evidence but Mitchell still deserved to go.
As far as I'm aware, the two officers have not changed their statements and the allegation that he used the words pleb. Heads will roll in the met for the apparently contrived corrobative evidence but Mitchell still deserved to go.